Home     Law Advice     Insurance Advice     Community    
Go Back   FreeAdvice Legal Forum > INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY & INTERNET LAW > Patents

Powered by Attorney Pages


  Find An Attorney In Your Area    
 

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-05-2008, 02:01 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 27

claiming a provisional date


I have filed a provisional patent. Now I am ready to file a utility application. I have some added feature in the utility patent that did not exist in the provisional. Would the utility patent be allowed with the new features or the claim related to the new features will be denied?

Thank You,

Imad Assaf
  #2  
Old 09-07-2008, 10:45 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 7,510
Quote:
Originally Posted by iassaf View Post
I have filed a provisional patent. Now I am ready to file a utility application. I have some added feature in the utility patent that did not exist in the provisional. Would the utility patent be allowed with the new features or the claim related to the new features will be denied?

Thank You,

Imad Assaf
You can file a continuation-in-part claiming priority back to the provisional application that contains new matter -- but only matter disclosed in the provisional application is accorded the priority date of the original provisional application. Any new matter only gets the priority date of the filing of the CIP.

If you want to make absolutely sure that the original matter is afforded the correct priority date, you could either convert the provisional to a nonprovisional or file a continuation claiming priority to the provisional and leave out the new matter, and then file a separate CIP application containing the new matter -- that will make clear which stuff is accorded which priority date, but it will be more expensive and take more time and effort. If the priority date is less important that getting the new matter into the application, then simply file a CIP claiming priority to the provisional.

What you cannot do is simply convert or file a continuation and add new matter to the specification -- that will be rejected. You also cannot claim something that is not disclosed in the specification. Any new matter has to be added via a CIP, and cannot get the priority date of the original provisional application.
  #3  
Old 09-08-2008, 04:02 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 27
Thank you very much.


Just to make sure, as the priority date is less important that getting the new matter into the application,

1- I should file a CIP directly based on the provisional (not file a utility application based on the provisional then a CIP based on the utility application). Correct?

2- The CIP includes all matters.

1- In the CIP, do I need to underline the new matter or not?

2- In case of a future dispute, what was detailed in the provisional will have the provisional date and the new matter will have the CIP date. Correct?
  #4  
Old 09-08-2008, 05:00 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 7,510
Quote:
Originally Posted by iassaf View Post
Thank you very much.


Just to make sure, as the priority date is less important that getting the new matter into the application,

1- I should file a CIP directly based on the provisional (not file a utility application based on the provisional then a CIP based on the utility application). Correct?
No, I misspoke above -- it's been a while since I've looked into this question. All you need to do is file a regular application including the new matter, and then claim priority to the nonprovisional application. This may complicate the prosecution some, and there is no way that any new material will be afforded the earlier priority date, but it should not be an issue. The only potential issue that might arise is if the examiner finds art that is later than the provisional, but is earlier than the nonprovisional, and it may shift the burden to you to show what matter is entitled to the earlier priority date.

Quote:
2- The CIP includes all matters.

1- In the CIP, do I need to underline the new matter or not?

2- In case of a future dispute, what was detailed in the provisional will have the provisional date and the new matter will have the CIP date. Correct?
No need to underline anything -- just file a regular nonprovisional application claiming priority to the provisional.

As to the dates, that is correct, although if you ever need to enforce the patent, just what is "new matter" and what is in the provisional will be a contentious issue.
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:25 AM.



IMPORTANT NOTICE
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ON THIS PAGE WERE NOT REVIEWED BY THE EDITORIAL STAFF OR ATTORNEYS AT FREEADVICE.COM. Thousands of professionally prepared and reviewed questions and answers in 130 legal categories are to be found at the Question and Answer pages at FreeAdvice.com.

F
reeAdvice Forums are intended to enable consumers to benefit from the experience of other consumers who have faced similar legal issues. FreeAdvice does NOT vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any posting or the qualifications of any person responding. Use of the Forums is subject to our Terms and Conditions which prohibit advertisements, solicitations or other commercial messages, or false, defamatory, abusive, vulgar, or harassing messages, and subject violators to a fee for each improper posting. All postings reflect the views of the author but become the property of FreeAdvice. Information on FreeAdvice or a Forum should not be relied upon and is not a substitute for advice from an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction who you have retained to represent you. To locate an attorney visit AttorneyPages.com. Copyright since 1995 by Advice Company. All Rights Reserved.