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JayPa

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What is the name of your state? Pennsylvania

My sister, my step-mother, and myself are co-executors of my Father's estate. My sister and I just found out that my step-mother has cleaned out the estate account for no other reason than to "protect" the money from us. Is this not an illegal maneuver on her part? Our current estate attorney seems to be defending her position, claiming that she was worried that we would do the same thing to her. I am baffled by their logic and am suspect of his motives at this point. What is our recourse in this situation?
 


CalifAtty-19

Junior Member
JayPa said:
What is the name of your state? Pennsylvania

My sister, my step-mother, and myself are co-executors of my Father's estate. My sister and I just found out that my step-mother has cleaned out the estate account for no other reason than to "protect" the money from us. Is this not an illegal maneuver on her part? Our current estate attorney seems to be defending her position, claiming that she was worried that we would do the same thing to her. I am baffled by their logic and am suspect of his motives at this point. What is our recourse in this situation?

My response:

Please explain "I am baffled by their logic". That's a conclusion, and you need to be specific. What, exactly, did the attorney say and advise? Was your step-mother's name on the account? Did she have a "right of survivor" on the account?

IAAL
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
JayPa said:
What is the name of your state? Pennsylvania

My sister, my step-mother, and myself are co-executors of my Father's estate. My sister and I just found out that my step-mother has cleaned out the estate account for no other reason than to "protect" the money from us. Is this not an illegal maneuver on her part? Our current estate attorney seems to be defending her position, claiming that she was worried that we would do the same thing to her. I am baffled by their logic and am suspect of his motives at this point. What is our recourse in this situation?
If pa did not have a will, here is where the stuff goes (and, for purposes of this answer, I am assuming that the bank account was held jointly by pa and step-ma...that means step-ma would get all that dough...if that is not the way the bank account was titled, then post back):

Pennsylvania Intestate Succession Laws

If any part of a Pennsylvania decedent's estate is not effectively disposed of by will, the intestate share will be distributed in the following order and manner:

1. Surviving spouse. A surviving spouse is generally first in line to get any assets from the intestate estate. However, the amount a surviving spouse is entitled to varies as follows:

* A surviving spouse is entitled to the entire intestate estate if the decedent is not survived by a child or parent.
* If there are no surviving children of the decedent, but there is a surviving parent or parents, the surviving spouse is entitled to the first $30,000 plus one-half of the remaining intestate estate. There is an exception to this rule if a decedent died due to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, in which case the surviving spouse gets 100 percent of any compensation award paid under the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act.
* If the decedent is survived by children all of whom are also the children of the surviving spouse, the surviving spouse is entitled to the first $30,000 plus one-half of the remaining intestate estate.
* If the decedent is survived by children one or more of whom are not issue of the surviving spouse, the surviving spouse gets one-half of the intestate estate.
* When there is a partial intestacy, any property received by the surviving spouse under the will counts towards satisfying the $30,000 allowance mentioned above.

2. Heirs other than surviving spouse. Any part of the intestate estate not passing to the surviving spouse as indicated above, or the entire intestate estate if there is no surviving spouse, passes as follows to:

1. Decedent's issue.
2. Decedent's parent or parents equally.
3. Decedent's brothers and sisters, or their issue.
4. If none of the above relatives are available, but the decedent is survived by one or more grandparents or issue of grandparents, half of the estate passes to the paternal grandparents if both survive, or to the surviving paternal grandparent or to the issue of the paternal grandparents if both are deceased. The other half passes to the maternal relatives in the same manner. If there is no surviving grandparent or issue of grandparent on either the paternal or maternal side, the entire estate passes to the relatives on the other side in the same manner as the half portion would.
5. Decedent's uncles and aunts and their children and grandchildren.

3. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. If there is no taker under any of the above provisions, the intestate estate passes to the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania Intestate Succession Law Fun Facts

* Relatives of the half blood inherit the same share they would inherit if they were of the whole blood.
* Relatives conceived before decedent's death, but born thereafter, inherit as if they had been born during decedent's lifetime.
* A spouse who willfully neglected or refused to support a deceased spouse or who willfully and maliciously deserted the deceased spouse for one year or upwards prior to the spouse's death cannot inherit any title or interest in the deceased spouses's intestate estate.
* Likewise, a parent who fails to support their minor or dependent child, who deserts them for a year, or is convicted of certain crimes against the child forfeits the right to their share of the child's intestate estate.
* Evildoers take note! Any person who participates either as a principal or as an accessory before the fact in the willful and unlawful killing of the decedent is prohibited from receiving any benefits from the killing, including a share in the intestate estate.
* Pennsylvania's intestate succession laws, as well as other related laws, can be found in Title 20 of Purdon's Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes Annotated.

Copyright 2002 - 2006, CCH Incorporated, a Wolters Kluwer business. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.finance.cch.com/pops/c50s10d190_PA.asp
 

JayPa

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I am baffled by my step-mom and our estate attorney's reason for her cleaning out the account. She claims she thought my sister or myself would clean out the estate account before the estate could be settled. So now do you see? She did exactly what she thought we would do. She preemptively cleaned out the account.
This is an estate account, all three of the co-executors of the estate are named on the account. The account was opened with estate funds after my Father died.
The estate attorney told us that he was aware that she removed the funds and relayed her reason for doing so. He asked me what I wanted to do about it, and I told him to tell her to get those funds back in the account. He replied that he would talk to her and try to get her to do so.
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
JayPa said:
I am baffled by my step-mom and our estate attorney's reason for her cleaning out the account. She claims she thought my sister or myself would clean out the estate account before the estate could be settled. So now do you see? She did exactly what she thought we would do. She preemptively cleaned out the account.
This is an estate account, all three of the co-executors of the estate are named on the account. The account was opened with estate funds after my Father died.
The estate attorney told us that he was aware that she removed the funds and relayed her reason for doing so. He asked me what I wanted to do about it, and I told him to tell her to get those funds back in the account. He replied that he would talk to her and try to get her to do so.

So step-ma had the authority to do this. Is that correct?
 

CalifAtty-19

Junior Member
JayPa said:
I am baffled by my step-mom and our estate attorney's reason for her cleaning out the account. She claims she thought my sister or myself would clean out the estate account before the estate could be settled. So now do you see? She did exactly what she thought we would do. She preemptively cleaned out the account.
This is an estate account, all three of the co-executors of the estate are named on the account. The account was opened with estate funds after my Father died.
The estate attorney told us that he was aware that she removed the funds and relayed her reason for doing so. He asked me what I wanted to do about it, and I told him to tell her to get those funds back in the account. He replied that he would talk to her and try to get her to do so.

My response:

It's obvious she doesn't trust either of you. Perhaps you've given her good reason in the past. We don't know who you are, or your "stories," to have made her take such an action. However, if you both have no intention of using the funds, then it doesn't matter where the funds are deposited just as long as the funds are earning interest during the probate process.

She had a right to those funds as much as any of you. She's on the hook for the funds to all of you anyway, so what does it matter where the funds are located?

IAAL
 

JayPa

Junior Member
All three of the co-executors' names are on the estate account. This account requires only one signature from one of the account owners to withdrawal money or write a check. So yes, she did not forge any documents to withdrawal the money. However, as a beneficiary of the estate, I am now concerned that the money may not be returned.
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
JayPa said:
All three of the co-executors' names are on the estate account. This account requires only one signature from one of the account owners to withdrawal money or write a check. So yes, she did not forge any documents to withdrawal the money. However, as a beneficiary of the estate, I am now concerned that the money may not be returned.
So nothing bad has happened yet.

Is that correct?
 

CalifAtty-19

Junior Member
JayPa said:
I am now concerned that the money may not be returned.

My response:

Did you NOT read my response to you? It doesn't matter whether the funds are withheld from you, or spent by her. She's still, and always will be, on the hook for the money.

IAAL
 

JayPa

Junior Member
CalifAtty-19 said:
My response:

It's obvious she doesn't trust either of you. Perhaps you've given her good reason in the past. We don't know who you are, or your "stories," to have made her take such an action. However, if you both have no intention of using the funds, then it doesn't matter where the funds are deposited just as long as the funds are earning interest during the probate process.

She had a right to those funds as much as any of you. She's on the hook for the funds to all of you anyway, so what does it matter where the funds are located?

IAAL
It matters because now I do not have access to the funds to pay-off creditors and settle other estate matters. How do you write a check from an account with no funds? Understand now?
 

JayPa

Junior Member
seniorjudge said:
So nothing bad has happened yet.

Is that correct?
What do you mean by bad? I suppose not being able to write checks to creditors to settle the estate is bad.
 

CalifAtty-19

Junior Member
JayPa said:
It matters because now I do not have access to the funds to pay-off creditors and settle other estate matters. How do you write a check from an account with no funds? Understand now?

My response:

She's one of the executors, though. Simply turn the bills over to her for payment, and let the creditors know. If she fails to pay the expenses in a timely fashion; e.g. within 30 days, then you go back into court on an Order to Show Cause, and have her explain to the court why she shouldn't be held in Contempt of Court and/or removed from her duties under the Will. She doesn't trust either you or your sister.

Not so difficult.

IAAL
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
CalifAtty-19 said:
My response:

She's one of the executors, though. Simply turn the bills over to her for payment, and let the creditors know. If she fails to pay the expenses in a timely fashion; e.g. within 30 days, then you go back into court on an Order to Show Cause, and have her explain to the court why she shouldn't be held in Contempt of Court and/or removed from her duties under the Will. She doesn't trust either you or your sister.

Not so difficult.

IAAL
Well said.

I agree 100%.

And future posters: Here is a good reason why appointing more than one executor is most always a really bad idea.
 

JayPa

Junior Member
CalifAtty-19 said:
My response:

She's one of the executors, though. Simply turn the bills over to her for payment, and let the creditors know. If she fails to pay the expenses in a timely fashion; e.g. within 30 days, then you go back into court on an Order to Show Cause, and have her explain to the court why she shouldn't be held in Contempt of Court and/or removed from her duties under the Will. She doesn't trust either you or your sister.

Not so difficult.

IAAL
Correct, does not seem to difficult. However, I am not an attorney and would not be on this forum if I knew the answer. Maybe your attitude should reflect that. Thank you for the free advice.
 

CalifAtty-19

Junior Member
JayPa said:
Correct, does not seem to difficult. However, I am not an attorney and would not be on this forum if I knew the answer. Maybe your attitude should reflect that. Thank you for the free advice.

My response:

My "attitude"?

Oh, brother . . .

You're welcome. Now, take a Valium or five, calm down, and go away.

IAAL
 
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