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Your Name

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Texas
I apologize if I am not in the right section of this forum.

Larry and Kara married and had one child. Larry died and had a motorcycle. His wife Kara had his title since his assets went to her. The cycle is physically at HER parents. Kara remarried years later and has now passed away also. Her second husband Keith has the title to the motorcycle now.

Who owns the bike now? Keith or the child? I would think assets go to the next of kin? But I'm not sure if that trinkles down to her second husband or the original owner's daughter?
 


rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Who are you in all of this?

How old is the daughter?

Who's name is the title in on the motorcycle, does it work and tags up to date?

How old is this motorcycle or is there something special about it?
 

Your Name

Junior Member
I am a friend of the family.

The daughter is 7 years old.

The bike is in Larry's name. He passed away 7 years ago before the daughter was born.

Yes the bike runs.

Tags are not current. The bike hasn't been ridden in 7 years.

It has sentimental value.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Your Name said:
I am a friend of the family.

The daughter is 7 years old.

The bike is in Larry's name. He passed away 7 years ago before the daughter was born.

Yes the bike runs.

Tags are not current. The bike hasn't been ridden in 7 years.

It has sentimental value.
Since the name on the title didn't change it would belong to the daughter and who ever is her guardian would have control over it.
 

JETX

Senior Member
Lets give you ACCURATE answers to your questions:

Your Name said:
Larry and Kara married and had one child. Larry died and had a motorcycle. His wife Kara had his title since his assets went to her. The cycle is physically at HER parents. Kara remarried years later and has now passed away also. Her second husband Keith has the title to the motorcycle now.

Who owns the bike now? Keith or the child? I would think assets go to the next of kin? But I'm not sure if that trinkles down to her second husband or the original owner's daughter?
The OWNER of the vehicle is whoevers name is on the title. From your subsequent post, it appears the title is in the deceased, Larry, name only. Therefore the vehicle is now owned by Larry's estate. As Texas is a community property state, upon his death, the estate (including the motorcycle) would be distributed according to his will, or without one, according to Texas intestate succession laws.
So, the question now becomes...... did Larry have a will?? If so, what does it say as to distribution of HIS estate??

And while answering that, did Lara have a will??? And if so, what does IT say as to distribution of HER estate??

As you can see, this is not a simple 'follow the trail' issue, as there are many bends, turns and forks in the path.

To the bottom line.... is someone now trying to get title to this vehicle?? If so, then you would need to get a bonded title.... or request a title from one of the firms that offers 'lost title' replacement.
 

Your Name

Junior Member
Thank You JetX.

Keith would like the bike because Kara loved that bike and it was something of hers. He's keeping all her stuff down to the last pair of socks. He misses her so much. He was just wondering if he had a right to go get the bike. Keith is not on good terms with her parents and expects trouble when he goes to collect the bike.

Noone had a will. Larry drowned while swimming so his death was sudden and ther was no will. Kara died in her sleep from diebeties (spelling). She was in her early 30's. She left no will.

Keith wants to be able to know what he is talking about when he goes to collect the bike. But if he has no right to it, he doesn't want to stir up trouble.

We were thinking that Larry's estate would go to his wife, Kara, and then after Kara left us that her estate would go to her current husband, Keith. But since the bike is in Larry's name, does it trinkle down to the daughter? Kara spoke several times about wanting to go get the bike, but like all of us, we think we have plenty of time to do that later. I don't know if the bike even runs, it's been sitting for nearly 8 years. Keith just wants to put all Kara's stuff together.

Thank you
 

JETX

Senior Member
Okay, so with the information that both parents died intestate (without a will), lets take a look at how 'confusing' this could become......

Texas intestate succession is:
As for Larry (with surviving spouse AND child):
1. Surviving spouse. A surviving spouse is generally first in line to get any assets from the intestate estate. However, the amount a surviving spouse is entitled to depends on these situations:
* If there are surviving children or direct descendants of the decedent, the surviving spouse takes one-third of the personal property in the estate, with the balance going to the children and descendants. The surviving spouse is also entitled to an interest in one-third of the land in the estate for the rest of his or her life (a.k.a., a life estate), with the remainder going to the decedent's children and descendants.

2. Heirs other than surviving spouse. Any part of the intestate estate not passing to the surviving spouse as indicated above, or the entire intestate estate if there is no surviving spouse, passes in the following order to:
1. Decedent's children and their descendants.
2. Decedent's parents equally if both survive. If only one parent survives, however, the estate is divided into two equal portions, one of which passes to the surviving parent and the other half passes to the decedent's brothers and sisters and their descendants If no siblings or their descendants exist, the whole estate is inherited by the surviving parent.
3. Decedent's siblings and their descendants.
4. If none of the above are available, then the inheritance is divided into two equal shares ("moieties"), one for decedent's paternal kin and one for decedent's maternal kin, and distributed in the following order:
a. To the grandfather and grandmother in equal portions.
b. If only one of the grandparents is living, then the estate is divided into two equal parts, one of which goes to the survivor and the other goes to the descendants of the deceased grandparent. If there be no such descendants, then the whole estate is inherited by the surviving grandparent.
c. If both grandparents are deceased, then the entire portion goes to their descendants, and so on without end, passing in like manner to the nearest lineal ancestors and their descendants.
d. If there is no surviving grandparent or descendant of a grandparent on either the paternal or the maternal side, the entire estate passes to the decedent's relatives on the other side in the same manner as the half.


So with that, since half of everything Larry owned was already Kara's (by community property right), if the motorcyle was titled ONLY in Larry's name, then Kara owns half of it (community) plus another 1/6th (1/3 of the remaining half), this gives Kara 2/3rds ownership, and the children each equal shares of the remaining 1/3. However, if the title was in ROS (Right of Survivor) form, then Kara would own 100% of the motorcycle!

Now, here is where it starts to get confusing.... if not already.

As Kara's shares of this motorcycle were established PRIOR to her subsequent remarriage, Kara's new husband has NO claim on the motorcycle title as her ownership was pre-marriage. However, since she died intestate also, then HER 2/3rds ownership (66.67%) would be split 1/3 to her husband (at the time of her death), giving him a 22.22% claim to the motorcycle.... with the remaining 2/3rds (of HER 2/3rds ownership) going to THEIR children (if any).

And this is the SIMPLE process!! It could be more complex if there are other children involved.......
 
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Your Name

Junior Member
Thank you JetX. As confussing as things sound, it did make sense. You explain things very well and in a way that the average person can understand. Keith has some legal training, (paralegal) so he knows some of the terminology He at least knows where he stands in the ownership.

Thank you again for you assistance.
 

JETX

Senior Member
Your Name said:
Thank you JetX. As confussing as things sound, it did make sense. You explain things very well and in a way that the average person can understand. Keith has some legal training, (paralegal) so he knows some of the terminology He at least knows where he stands in the ownership.

Thank you again for you assistance.
Of course.... you're welcome.
 

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