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dan148

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What is the name of your state?Florida

A former employee of mine just called me and said that he was just hired as a Food & Beverage supervisor for the Seminole tribe casino. In his new hire booklet it states; "If a member of the Seminole tribe, whether qualified or not becomes interested in your position, the tribal member will take presedence over non-tribal employees, which could result in changing your duties or terminating your employment"...That was pretty much it in a nut shell!!!
Now I now that most government/Federal regulations do not apply in the Seminole tribe world (If you will, No offense)...But does that REALLY apply to EEOC regulations as well??
 


cbg

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Yup.

Anything that is considered tribal land falls under tribal law and not US law. Indian reservations are considered sovereign nations and are not subject to US law, including discrimination law.

Most of us on these boards won't even attempt to answer questions that have to do with tribal lands or tribal law, because the law is so completely different.
 
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dan148

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cbg said:
Yup.

Anything that is considered tribal land falls under tribal law and not US law. Indian reservations are considered sovereign nations and are not subject to US law, including discrimination law.

Most of us on these boards won't even attempt to answer questions that have to do with tribal lands or tribal law, because the law is so completely different.
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WOW!!! :eek: I knew that the tribal land had there own laws, but to think they could just fire someone because of ethnic (or non-ethnic) background is absurd. And they even throw it in your face by saying "Even if not qualified"
 
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dan148

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cbg said:
But it's not US land. Why should they be subject to US law?
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I understand what your saying, it's there land and there laws... I'm not arguing that or saying that its absurd that we (US) allow that, I am just saying (on a personal note in general), why would any employer dismiss employees or take presedence with ethnic backgrounds over qualifications and experience!!! Just doesn't seem smart in a business sense. But then again, that casino profited 500 million dollars last year, so they must be doing something right... :D
 
cbg

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
If this were a question of firing someone Irish to put in someone French, I'd agree with you.

But when you consider that they've had their land stolen, their culture diluted, been subjected to enormous discrimination by the US government, etc., I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be allowed to give preference to own people in a job on their lands.
 
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dan148

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cbg said:
If this were a question of firing someone Irish to put in someone French, I'd agree with you.

But when you consider that they've had their land stolen, their culture diluted, been subjected to enormous discrimination by the US government, etc., I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be allowed to give preference to own people in a job on their lands.
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I totally agree, I know a little bit about the culture, and I am familiar with the discrimination and such. But in the case of hiring a "Non-tribal" employee just to possibly demote or dismiss them for no other reason but ethnic background is...well....wrong in my opinion, and if that's the case (which it is) then why hire "Non-tribal" employees in the first place. The "Non-tribal" employee that they will dismiss or demote has never done anything wrong to the tribal culture. This will not get anywhere, this is really not a legal matter, it is just a matter of personal opinion. I do not think the tribal communities should be under any US laws, and I do not disagree legally with there laws..just morally!!
Thanks CBG
 
cbg

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
I disagree. I think that on tribal lands, tribal members SHOULD be given preference, and non-tribal members should only be hired when there are no tribal members available and only kept on as long as there are no tribal members needing employment.

But we can agree to disagree.

BTW, Dan, just as an FYI, I won't be on-line tomorrow night and possibly not Thursday night as well. I'll be on for a couple of hours tomorrow afternoon - I'm on site at a client's tomorrow and Thursday mornings. After that it gets hairy - as I mentioned my stepdaughter is off to school again this weekend and we're getting her ready.

I'm very much enjoying my conversations with you, so if I don't respond just hang in there - I'll be around sooner or later.
 
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oceanglider1

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Dan I couldnt resist ..... I have work as a contractor Artist for the miccossukee Indians for 12 years and I can tell you buddy > They are all the same !!! smelly holes or miccossukee They are big children that uncle sam throws free money at to say sorry for taking their land. not only do they get money as a nation ,also each family member gets a certain amount of money called dividens ..for each adult in the household 1000.00 a month and each child 500 until the age of 18. Imagine that !! mom dad 2000.00 and a couple of little indians 500.oo each ..gee 3000.00 amonth HMMM but they have the highest alcoholism rate in the country. Why there's not a damn thing to do in the everglades after dark!!! They refer to the hotel/casino as the second white
Buffalo.. They look at other outsiders as low class . Remember in the 1970's
they had crap!! except the airboats and the indian villages on the side of the road .. And as far as doing something right?? Not really The Miccossukee's
spend 25million dollars to put up that hotel on tamiami trail with out a clue what the hell they were doing . They had flown in the smelly holes from the west to do it for them. And as for firing at will yup at the drop of a hat
The only way to work for them is to work with them instead Like I do . this way you give them a price and they pay.. They dont like bargaining they just pay the price .. thats the only thing nice I have to say about them
 
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Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
oceanglider1 said:
Dan I couldnt resist ..... I have work as a contractor Artist for the miccossukee Indians for 12 years and I can tell you buddy > They are all the same !!! smelly holes or miccossukee They are big children that uncle sam throws free money at to say sorry for taking their land. not only do they get money as a nation ,also each family member gets a certain amount of money called dividens ..for each adult in the household 1000.00 a month and each child 500 until the age of 18. Imagine that !! mom dad 2000.00 and a couple of little indians 500.oo each ..gee 3000.00 amonth HMMM but they have the highest alcoholism rate in the country. Why there's not a damn thing to do in the everglades after dark!!! They refer to the hotel/casino as the second white
Buffalo.. They look at other outsiders as low class . Remember in the 1970's
they had crap!! except the airboats and the indian villages on the side of the road .. And as far as doing something right?? Not really The Miccossukee's
spend 25million dollars to put up that hotel on tamiami trail with out a clue what the hell they were doing . They had flown in the smelly holes from the west to do it for them. And as for firing at will yup at the drop of a hat
The only way to work for them is to work with them instead Like I do . this way you give them a price and they pay.. They dont like bargaining they just pay the price .. thats the only thing nice I have to say about them
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I am left speecless after reading your hate filled comment. You should really find a internet site more geared for your opinions.
 
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Veronica1228

Senior Member
--PARIDISE-- said:
I am left speecless after reading your hate filled comment. You should really find a internet site more geared for your opinions.
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Like where? Do they still have Hitler fan clubs? :eek:
 
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kismetique

Member
You know, I visited this site several years back when I had a different employment issue. I never got an answer to my question and quite possibly because it wasn't nearly as active as it is now.

So....in returning, I have been stunned at the way people speak to each other on this board! And we are all supposed to be adults??? Well, at least I hope most of us are of age since we seem to be handing out and taking legal opinions! :D

I'm by no means trying to start anything, but aren't we all entitled to our own opinions? And by living in the good ole' USA, aren't we entitled to voice those opinions - be they hateful or loving? I felt her comments were a bit biased, but then she is probably basing them on her personal interactions, which appear not to be very positive ones!

I guess I can see both sides of the issue, but I can't see being demeaning simply because I disagree or feel the comments were too harsh.

I probably should keep my opinions to myself - not doing so is what got me in the fix I'm currently in :) , but I just felt compelled.
 
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Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
So....in returning, I have been stunned at the way people speak to each other on this board! And we are all supposed to be adults??? Well, at least I hope most of us are of age since we seem to be handing out and taking legal opinions! :D

I'm by no means trying to start anything, but aren't we all entitled to our own opinions? Yes we are.

nd by living in the good ole' USA, aren't we entitled to voice those opinions - be they hateful or loving? Yes.

I felt her comments were a bit biased, but then she is probably basing them on her personal interactions, which appear not to be very positive ones! AND?

I guess I can see both sides of the issue, but I can't see being demeaning simply because I disagree or feel the comments were too harsh. The only person demeaning on this tread was Ocean. I for one simply stated I was speechless.

I probably should keep my opinions to myself - not doing so is what got me in the fix I'm currently in :) , but I just felt compelled.[/QUOTE] That is your right.
 
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