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awol in korea for 2 years..i have a question

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howller

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? illinois

hi everyone, ok i went awol in korea for 27 consecutive months.i was not apprehended....i voluntarily came back. I went throught the speacial court-martial and agreed to 120 days confinement,bcd.the judge got me with 11 month confinement and 11 months forfeiture of 2/3 pay, funny thing was..i was never getting paid. the 2/3 forfeiture got clemency. i was never dfr'ed. lots of thing in my case were messed up. After release of confinement i voluntarily went back to the unit to try for a post-trial chapter 10..(they did not finish my record of trial in time.) After the 10 was denied i was put on involuntary excess leave...and i'm now "at home"

my question - is a speacial court-martial bcd a felony? i know it depends on the state law, but i've been searching and searching, i can't find illinois state law about this can anyone please help me find out?

thx for your time!
 


badapple40

Senior Member
howller said:
What is the name of your state? illinois

hi everyone, ok i went awol in korea for 27 consecutive months.i was not apprehended....i voluntarily came back. I went throught the speacial court-martial and agreed to 120 days confinement,bcd.the judge got me with 11 month confinement and 11 months forfeiture of 2/3 pay, funny thing was..i was never getting paid. the 2/3 forfeiture got clemency. i was never dfr'ed. lots of thing in my case were messed up. After release of confinement i voluntarily went back to the unit to try for a post-trial chapter 10..(they did not finish my record of trial in time.) After the 10 was denied i was put on involuntary excess leave...and i'm now "at home"

my question - is a speacial court-martial bcd a felony? i know it depends on the state law, but i've been searching and searching, i can't find illinois state law about this can anyone please help me find out?

thx for your time!
What articles were you charged with? Did they charge this as AWOL, or desertion?
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
howller said:
i went awol in korea for 27 consecutive months.i was not apprehended....i voluntarily came back.
I'm sorry but must ask, How did you plan on comming home eventually if you didn't turn yourself in, swim?

Being there that long you enjoyed at least 2 of their bracing winters, was it better than Illinois :confused:
 

badapple40

Senior Member
I need to know when you were AWOL and when your trial was held.

Special court-martials have now been capped at 1 year confinement. This could be a felony.

Prior to 2002, RCM 201(f)(2)(b) provided:

(B) Punishments.
(i) Upon a finding of guilty, special courtsmartial
may adjudge, under limitations prescribed by
this Manual, any punishment authorized under
R.C.M. 1003 except death, dishonorable discharge,
dismissal, confinement for more than 6 months, hard
labor without confinement for more than 3 months,
forfeiture of pay exceeding two-thirds pay per month,
or any forfeiture of pay for more than 6 months.

It sounds to me that if the military judge gave you 11 months, your court-martial occurred after April 11, 2002, the date the MCM/RCM was amended.

How does Illinois define a felony? Is your case still in appellate review?
 

howller

Junior Member
dates of awol april 2002 - july 2004

yes judge gave me 11 months but i had a PTA for 120 days and the forfeitures were clemency'ed.

court-martial was aug 23 2004

that's my question...does anyone know where i can look to see if this is a state felony?

yes, it's on appellate review.

my PTA was signed by the general..it was 120 days confinement.
 
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badapple40

Senior Member
Getz v. Getz, 332 Ill. App. 364, 75 N.E.2d 530 (Ill. App. 1947) says that desertion, a greater offense than AWOL, is not a felony in Illinois:

The evidence shows that defendant deserted the United States Army in Germany on or about November 9, 1944, and returned, by devious means to his home in Tower Hill, Illinois, in March 1945, where he lived with plaintiff for about 30 days; on April 26, 1945, he surrendered to military authorities. He subsequently was tried by a general court-martial on the charge of violation of the 58th Article of War (desertion), was convicted and sentenced to be shot to death with musketry, which sentence was later rescinded and there was substituted therefor: dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement at hard labor for life; that the period of confinement was subsequently reduced to 25 years; and that the defendant is now confined in a United States Disciplinary Barracks at a military establishment pursuant to such sentence.

The Illinois statutes provide that HN1where one party to a marriage

"has been convicted of felony or other infamous crime . . . it shall be lawful for the injured party to obtain a divorce." (Ill. Rev. Stat. 1945, ch. 40, par. 1 [Jones Ill. Stats. Ann. 109.169]);

and that

"A felony is an offense punishable with death or by imprisonment in the penitentiary." (Ill. Rev. Stat. 1945, ch. 38, par. 585 [Jones Ill. Stats. Ann. 37.546]);

and that

"Every person convicted of the crime of murder, rape, kidnaping, willful and corrupt perjury or subornation of perjury, arson, burglary, robbery, sodomy, or other crime against nature, incest, forgery, counterfeiting, bigamy, or larceny, if the punishment for said larceny is by imprisonment in the penitentiary, shall be deemed infamous, . . ." (Ill. Rev. Stat. 1945, ch. 38, par. 587 [Jones Ill. Stats. Ann. 37.548]).

The 58th Article of War, which defendant was found guilty of violating provides:

"Any person subject to military law who deserts or attempts to desert the service of the United States shall, if the offense be committed in time of war, suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, and, if the offense be committed at any other time, any punishment, excepting death, that a court-martial may direct." (Manual for Courts-martial, U. S. Army, Art. of War 58, App. 1, page 218; U. S. C. A. Title 10, Par. 1530, page 304).

With reference to the language in said Article of War "suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct" the case of Lamkin v. People, 94 Ill. 501, relating to an indictment for conspiracy, is pertinent:

"It will be noted, 'A felony is an offence punishable', -- that is, absolutely punishable, not that may or may not be 'punishable with death or by imprisonment in the penitentiary', while the offence of which plaintiffs in error are indicted and convicted here shall be punishable by imprisonment in the penitentiary or by fine. Surely it is no more accurate, in view of this language, to say this offence is punishable by imprisonment in the penitentiary than to say it is punishable by fine, and it is impossible to say, under any rule of construction, that we are bound to lay more stress on the language fixing the punishment by confinement in the penitentiary than on that fixing the punishment by fine. On the contrary, the rule of construction applicable here is, unless it clearly appears this offence was intended to be denominated a felony, it shall be denominated a misdemeanor."

In our opinion, this case is controlling, and because HN4one deserting is not absolutely punishable by death or imprisonment in the penitentiary but may be meted "such other punishment as a court-martial may direct," the offense is not a felony within the meaning of the Divorce Act. Neither is military desertion nor any offense of similar nature included in the list of infamous crimes as defined by statute. While this court does not mean to minimize the public scorn and degradation which may result, not only to one convicted of desertion, but to his family as well, whether a particular crime is a felony or is infamous does not depend upon the court's view of the moral aspect of the offense, but upon the statute. ( People v. Green, 292 Ill. 351, 127 N.E. 50.)

Irrespective of the rule set forth in the Lamkin case, there are other reasons for the opinion that desertion from military service is not encompassed within the term "felony" as used in the Divorce Act. It is stated in Corpus Juris Secundum that

"The crime of desertion from the army is exclusively a military offense cognizable only by the military courts, and when the desertion is from the United States Army the offense is exclusively against the United States and the federal courts-martial have exclusive jurisdiction thereof." (6 C. J. S. 449.) (See also 36 Am. Jur., pp. 270-271, and Winthrop's Military Law and Precedents, Second Ed., Vols. 1 & 2, Reprint 1920, p. 636);

It has been held that

". . . HN6except in Military Law, desertion is legally unknown to the tribunals of this country. It does not in the contemplation of the civil law reach the grade of a misdemeanor, and no instance is known in which this alleged offense has been the subject of indictment by a grand jury, or of trial in any court of civil or common law jurisdiction." ( Trask v. Payne, 43 Barb. (N. Y.) 569);

and that "an act of congress authorizing civilians to arrest deserters is in derogation of the common law." (6 C. J. S. 427.)

In Trask v. Payne, supra, the court states on the authority of Blackstone (1 Com. 415, Phil. Ed. 1863) that by 18 Hen. VI, Ch. 9, desertion in time of war was made a felony triable before a jury but that this statute had become obsolete at the time of Blackstone's writing, so that in practice, the jurisdiction of the offense was then wholly confined to the military courts.

It should also be noted that

"Courts-martial, while resembling the civil courts in some respects, are yet entirely distinct in their nature from the civil tribunals; the power vested in the military courts is not a part of the judicial power of the United States within the meaning of the constitution, and such courts are not included in the Judicial Department of the government." (6 C. J. S. 440.) (See also 36 Am. Jur. 244.)

HN8A court-martial differs from a civil court in that pleading before a court-martial depends upon military usage; (6 C. J. S. 453); that the verdict of a court-martial is handed down by secret vote of the members of the court itself; (6 C. J. S. 457); that except for conviction and sentence of death the vote need not be unanimous; (ibid); that a court-martial may be composed of commissioned officers only; (6 C. J. S. 443); and that the accused should not be tried by a court-martial composed of officers of rank inferior to that of the accused. (6 C. J. S. 444.)

In view of these facts, we are of the opinion that the Legislature, in enacting that conviction of a felony or other infamous crime constitutes ground for divorce, contemplated that such conviction be the result of a criminal prosecution wherein the accused, as "in all criminal prosecutions," might perfect his right, guaranteed by article II, section 9, of the Illinois constitution, to "public trial by an impartial jury of the county or district in which the offense is alleged to have been committed." Such right of HN9the accused to jury trial in all criminal cases, clearly including prosecution for felony or other infamous crime, is absolute. ( People v. Fisher, 340 Ill. 250, 172 N.E. 722; People v. Scornavache, 347 Ill. 403, 179 N.E. 909; and Ill. Rev. Stat. 1945, ch. 38, par. 736 [Jones Ill. Stats. Ann. 37.723].)

...

For the reasons stated above, we hold that conviction by court-martial for desertion from military service in time of war is not a "felony or other infamous crime" within the meaning of the Illinois Divorce Act. The judgment of the circuit court is therefore affirmed.
But, People v. Helm, 40 Ill. 2d 39, allowed the introduction of a court-martial conviction for robbery, an infamous crime.

I would say that, under the circumstances, you have an argument to answer no. But in reality, I'd say it depends on the circumstance/question, AND that conviction will show up in any NCIC/federeal background check.
 

howller

Junior Member
thx for all the time you took to help me understand badapple.

just to clarify - it was AWOL not desertion
 

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