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redz11216

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? overseas (kuwait)

I have been recently deployed to Kuwait by the U.S. Army. My unit consist of majority female from the age range of 18-30 mostly young adults. Our commander put out a policy stating that everyone in our unit has a 11:30 curfew for the entire duration of the deployment because of "safety issues". I believe this curfew was implemented mainly because our commander is a young female and is being a bit over protective because of the amount of females we have in the unit. However, I and others from my unit feel that it is a punishment without justification, in addition, we can only walk around the camps with a buddy from our same unit no matter what the time is in which I feel segregates us from the rest of the camp. I am having trouble finding the regulation on curfews while on deployment and I wanted to know if it was in any violation of regulation to have only our unit confined to the tents after 11:30 and if so where can I find this regulation?
 


Snipes5

Senior Member
You're in the army, not college, not high school, and not a tea party.

Your CO is permitted to make and enforce whatever regulations he or she feels necessary to maintain the safety of the troops. This includes curfews.

You're in a war zone. Suck it up and deal with the rules. If you don't like it, do your time and get out.

Snipes
 

Davidzill

Member
Your CO's career and future promotions could be seriously on the line if there is any kind of incedent where her kids are hurt. Yeah it sucks but just remember she can't stop time. I know being in a conventional unit is alot like being in kindergarten all over again, but thats just the way it is. Just get nin the mindset that she is the mother figure and you all are her children. Don't be bad or she might ground you or make you stand in the corner. It must suck being in a unit with so many women. I bet they all get E-5 in a year and the men never get promoted.
 

redz11216

Junior Member
For MR SNIPES5 Thank you but no thank you

I do realize that I am not in high school, college or as you unnecessarily stated a tea party. However, where I am is far from a war zone and as you said, I'm not at none of these places, which would also mean I'm an adult and if I am adult I should be treated as one as long as my safety is not in jeopardy. Now I feel that the army is a army of one there for my unit should not be discriminated against base on gender.
In addition, my asking advice from this forum was not to make any type of compliant against my commander. My intentions are only to see if she is legally in the right by implementing a curfew. She is an extremely fair person, and if someone brings to her attention that she is in violation of any regulation and/or regulations, she will make changes if not dispose of the policy. Now that maybe just because her head isn't that far up her ass like some people who just wants everyone to "suck it up", there are some receptive people in the military.
Now if you don't have an answer for me, okay, that’s fine, and whether you think the military if for me or not that is your opinion in which you are absolutely entitled to. However, because there are so many pricks in the military, like yourself (I just get that vibe from you), that feel that their subordinates have to obey them and that's the end of the line there are people who say silent and unaware of there rights. In addition, being that the military is full of so many uneducated individuals who have no life plans beyond the military, they tend to be content with the "what I say goes" mentality superiors have. Me on the other hand, I am not deterred or intimidated by a superior officer, don't get me wrong, I give my respect and respect the rank, but until I'm proven wrong by my research, in which I am smart enough to verify the information before it is utilized and not just "rely on information posted from this sight“, I will not just suck up anything I do not agree with.
If you are an attorney whether it be of the military or civilian sector, you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to discourage me (an inspiring attorney) from fighting for something that I do believe in. Therefore, my advice to you MR. SNIPES5 is if your advice isn't relevant to the question I have posted or I will ever post, you should post it.... Now enjoy your day….
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
She has the legal right to set guidelines, curfews and anything else she wants to set. And this has nothing whatsoever to do with law. It has to do with Command Responsibility.

As snipes, and anyone who has served in a war, will try to tell you, you have given up certain rights by joining. And one of them is to question a lawful order.

Deal with it.
 

badapple40

Senior Member
What BB said is true, to a point. Commanders have broad discretion to implement rules and policies, so long as they do not violate the law (hers does not violate any statutory or constititional law), or regulations (I don't know whether this is in violation of regulation or not).

Since I am not about to research regulations for you, I would suggest, especially since it appears you are smart enough, or say you are smart enough, to find out the answers, that you start looking at Army regulations and directives put in place by her superiors. I'm not giving myself a homework assignment on your behalf, but I will point you here:

http://www.usapa.army.mil/

I suspect, however, that the order is lawful and must be obeyed. And, by the way, your commander is not the only one issuing these. I've seen curfew's implemented everytime I've been deployed in a somewhat hot zone, and sometimes in a non-hot zone:

http://www.rao-osan.com/osan-info/onbase/curfew.htm
https://www.marfork.usmc.mil/Commanders Curfew Order and Policy Letter on Personal Conduct Off-Base - 15 Apr 02.pdf

She doesn't want to explain why one of you made it onto Al Jazeera being the next person with their head chopped off, and you want to give her grief...
 

redz11216

Junior Member
thank you for the helpful advice in which you provided me a source that I will research myself, I can only try, and if I'm shot down then at least I know I made an attempt... badapple ;)
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
I'm not in the military but my son's are/were and one is in Iraq right now, however I have been to the middle east and there is a good reason to have a curfew. Didn't you learn about orders at boot camp?
 

Snipes5

Senior Member
You don't have to be in the midst of combat to be in what is considered by Congress to be a combat zone.

According to my sources, next to Iraq itself, the most dangerous place to be is a toss up between Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

You can do whatever research you like, but my crystal ball tells me that you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting that curfew changed. Chances are excellent that the curfew was set by the parent command, and NOT by your CO, which would mean she has zero ability to change it.

Snipes
 

SDDubb

Member
The only thing that I notice here is that no one is addressing her concern that the curfew is placed for her unit specifically because they are mostly females. Apparently, (and I AM speculating) other units around her post are not subject to the same curfew and those same units also have a lower ratio of women to men. Could I get clarification if that was the original assertion?

As far as the curfew alone goes, you may want to consider the fact that the CO knows whats best for you, even if it seems to suck. Of course, it needs to be justified, consistent and not merely dressed up as being for the benefit and saftey of the Army - when it is really self-serving for a lack of confidence in women. Again, I am speulating.

Maybe the women in particular in your unit have demonstrated a lack of ability to make good decisions or be trusted...is that possible too?

Just throwing out some angles.
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
Aside from the risks of terrorists taking actions against US personnel, there are religious zealots lurking about who might take offense at an unescorted (by a male family member) and uncovered female strolling in public. I have male and female friends serving throughout the region and they all have similar restrictions ... the fear for the safety of the women is highest, however, due to a combination of attitudes in the region and security fears.

- Carl
 

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