showsomerespect
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Hawaii: 0ur rear neighbor has an access easement over our property via our shared driveway.
ED: I have searched the forum and read every thread that applied, but the answers I've seen here go both ways ...
We consider that she and her many guests are speeding by going 20 or more mph because the easement has zero setback from part of our house and blind spots where we pull out from parking. 5 mph is needed for them to have stopping distance for cars and pedestrians. We have tried talking, writing, posting signs, and no result. We told her we have no alternative but to put in speed bumps. She had her lawyer write us and say she does not consent because that interferes with her easement rights and she's concerned about damage to cars. We think she will be able to get in and out just fine, only at reasonable speed, but we cannot afford to get sued.
Easement:
She has a legally recorded easement, not trying to dispute that. A one acre parcel was subdivided into three parcels, with the two rear parcels landlocked except by this shared road and utility easement. At the time easement was created, her lot hadn't been sold nor built on, so the situation wasn't "road-tested" and they didn't add any language about rights or duties. It simply says easement is "across" the two front lots (which we now own) "and to be used in common with others." Zoning is residential for SFR w/ohana (mother-in-law unit).
We find the speed unsafe and rude. 20 mph isn't much on a road, but when a car passes a foot or two away from your body or where kids are playing it's quite fast. We tried talking in a friendly way but she disagrees she drives too fast. She has a lot of parties, day and night. The traffic to her house often drives in and drives right back out in a huge hurry, similar to if someone was selling drugs. (We were told she gives gambling parties by a neighbor. Social gambling is legal. We think she takes bets and that's why people run in and out, but can't prove that). The whole property was originally was owned by her family (aunt/cousins), so she clearly resents that it got sold out of the family. She has been here 20 years and we get that, but unsafe driving is endangering us.
We haven't gone to an attorney as they cost upwards of $200 an hour here and we are retired/disabled and living on Social Security. We're just trying to have a peaceful life and to go through a lawsuit would wear us out and bankrupt us. I doubt she wants to be in a lawsuit either and I think she's just trying to intimidate us by having an attorney she knows do her a favor and write us. Bottom line though, we don't want to take action unless we feel it's our right.
Re speed bump law: Hawaii, search brings up negligence case where owners of a private road were sued for failing to make it safe by installing speed bumps. Wemple v. Dahman, NO. 21497 , SUPREME COURT OF HAWAI'I , January 30, 2004. Can't find any Hawaii rulings on speed bumps to slow traffic on shared private drives.
The Florida case supports her lawyer's position:
"The placing of speed bumps on an easement as in Monell v. Golfview Road Association, 359 So. 2d 2 (Fla. 2nd DCA 1978), without standing to do so, is considered to be unreasonable interference with the easement."
but this newer Missouri seems very applicable to our situation:
"Where servient estate owner constructs speed bumps upon ingress and egress easement shared by dominant and servient estate owners, the speed bumps do not substantially interfere with the dominant estate owner_s use of the easement and the dominant estate owner is enjoined from removing the speed bumps. VanCleve v. Sparks, 132 S.W.3d 902 (Mo.App. S.D. 2004)."
We have a similar situation as Missouri case where we have to go over any speed bumps ourselves and she won't be the only one affected as in Florida precedent. Her attorney did not provide any case law. We are pointing out her own liability in case of an accident, but seems she won't take it seriously unless someone gets hurt and our wish is to prevent an injury.
ED: I have searched the forum and read every thread that applied, but the answers I've seen here go both ways ...
We consider that she and her many guests are speeding by going 20 or more mph because the easement has zero setback from part of our house and blind spots where we pull out from parking. 5 mph is needed for them to have stopping distance for cars and pedestrians. We have tried talking, writing, posting signs, and no result. We told her we have no alternative but to put in speed bumps. She had her lawyer write us and say she does not consent because that interferes with her easement rights and she's concerned about damage to cars. We think she will be able to get in and out just fine, only at reasonable speed, but we cannot afford to get sued.
Easement:
She has a legally recorded easement, not trying to dispute that. A one acre parcel was subdivided into three parcels, with the two rear parcels landlocked except by this shared road and utility easement. At the time easement was created, her lot hadn't been sold nor built on, so the situation wasn't "road-tested" and they didn't add any language about rights or duties. It simply says easement is "across" the two front lots (which we now own) "and to be used in common with others." Zoning is residential for SFR w/ohana (mother-in-law unit).
We find the speed unsafe and rude. 20 mph isn't much on a road, but when a car passes a foot or two away from your body or where kids are playing it's quite fast. We tried talking in a friendly way but she disagrees she drives too fast. She has a lot of parties, day and night. The traffic to her house often drives in and drives right back out in a huge hurry, similar to if someone was selling drugs. (We were told she gives gambling parties by a neighbor. Social gambling is legal. We think she takes bets and that's why people run in and out, but can't prove that). The whole property was originally was owned by her family (aunt/cousins), so she clearly resents that it got sold out of the family. She has been here 20 years and we get that, but unsafe driving is endangering us.
We haven't gone to an attorney as they cost upwards of $200 an hour here and we are retired/disabled and living on Social Security. We're just trying to have a peaceful life and to go through a lawsuit would wear us out and bankrupt us. I doubt she wants to be in a lawsuit either and I think she's just trying to intimidate us by having an attorney she knows do her a favor and write us. Bottom line though, we don't want to take action unless we feel it's our right.
Re speed bump law: Hawaii, search brings up negligence case where owners of a private road were sued for failing to make it safe by installing speed bumps. Wemple v. Dahman, NO. 21497 , SUPREME COURT OF HAWAI'I , January 30, 2004. Can't find any Hawaii rulings on speed bumps to slow traffic on shared private drives.
The Florida case supports her lawyer's position:
"The placing of speed bumps on an easement as in Monell v. Golfview Road Association, 359 So. 2d 2 (Fla. 2nd DCA 1978), without standing to do so, is considered to be unreasonable interference with the easement."
but this newer Missouri seems very applicable to our situation:
"Where servient estate owner constructs speed bumps upon ingress and egress easement shared by dominant and servient estate owners, the speed bumps do not substantially interfere with the dominant estate owner_s use of the easement and the dominant estate owner is enjoined from removing the speed bumps. VanCleve v. Sparks, 132 S.W.3d 902 (Mo.App. S.D. 2004)."
We have a similar situation as Missouri case where we have to go over any speed bumps ourselves and she won't be the only one affected as in Florida precedent. Her attorney did not provide any case law. We are pointing out her own liability in case of an accident, but seems she won't take it seriously unless someone gets hurt and our wish is to prevent an injury.
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