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Buckets

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? California.

This is a real touchy subject because it deals with family loyalty, inheritance and the tax man.

My father and mother's estate is composed of real estate (six houses, an undeveloped lot, and a strip mall), stocks (about $25k), and some cash (I'm guessing about $70K or $80k). The estate's value is about $10 million, I guess, and as you can see, it's not exactly liquid assets.

The estate is in a revokeable A/B trust right now, and my father and mother are still alive.

I'm kinda the responsible one of their two children. I work, keep records and pay my taxes.

My brother, on the other hand, is a bit of a twit. He is a contractor who gets paid by cash private people for fixing decks and redoing kitchens, but he doesn't exactly make any effort not to leave a paper trail. He has not filed taxes in about a decade and pretty much thinks he's bulletproof.

My question is: How likely is my brother to rise to the IRS's attention when my parents die and the estate is distributed? If my brother and I have a 50/50 split on the houses and other non-cash assets and my brother gets nailed by the IRS, can the IRS force the sale of assets that he only owns half of?

In how much peril is the estate if my brother remains a beneficiary?

And, I guess most importantly, is there anything I can do to protect the estate and myself?

... and disinheriting him is not an option. My parents won't do that for any reason ever. Bless their hearts, but they are loyal.
 


LdiJ

Senior Member
What is the name of your state? California.

This is a real touchy subject because it deals with family loyalty, inheritance and the tax man.

My father and mother's estate is composed of real estate (six houses, an undeveloped lot, and a strip mall), stocks (about $25k), and some cash (I'm guessing about $70K or $80k). The estate's value is about $10 million, I guess, and as you can see, it's not exactly liquid assets.

The estate is in a revokeable A/B trust right now, and my father and mother are still alive.

I'm kinda the responsible one of their two children. I work, keep records and pay my taxes.

My brother, on the other hand, is a bit of a twit. He is a contractor who gets paid by cash private people for fixing decks and redoing kitchens, but he doesn't exactly make any effort not to leave a paper trail. He has not filed taxes in about a decade and pretty much thinks he's bulletproof.

My question is: How likely is my brother to rise to the IRS's attention when my parents die and the estate is distributed? If my brother and I have a 50/50 split on the houses and other non-cash assets and my brother gets nailed by the IRS, can the IRS force the sale of assets that he only owns half of?

In how much peril is the estate if my brother remains a beneficiary?

And, I guess most importantly, is there anything I can do to protect the estate and myself?

... and disinheriting him is not an option. My parents won't do that for any reason ever. Bless their hearts, but they are loyal.
Its true that inheritances can be attached for IRS debt. However, inheriting something is not necessarily going to trigger anything with the IRS.

Some of the real estate assets are going to have to be liquidated to pay the estate taxes (unless the law changes before then) so one solution would be to liquidate everything and for each of you to receive cash.

Another possible solution would be to divide the assets in such a way that neither of you shared ownership of any one asset.
 

abezon

Senior Member
You could also ask your parents to look into a 'spendthrift' trust for him. It's a trust designed to protect the beneficiaries from their own financial imprudence. The trustee is in charge of determining whether any money gets distributed & when. The trust would own the real estate & stocks, and the IRS could not go after them because the assets aren't in his name. If the IRS does go after him, it can only ever get the money actually distributed from the trust. So, in the even the IRS goes after him & his assets, what the trustee would do is hold onto the trust assets until he settles with the IRS, then distribute things to him once the IRS has given up & gone away.

This is very complicated, so your parents would need to use a sophistocated estate planner to make sure the trust assets are protected from the IRS. They could set up the trust & have it funded (via the A/B trust) only if he is not current on his taxes when they die.
 

Buckets

Junior Member
You could also ask your parents to look into a 'spendthrift' trust for him. It's a trust designed to protect the beneficiaries from their own financial imprudence. The trustee is in charge of determining whether any money gets distributed & when. The trust would own the real estate & stocks, and the IRS could not go after them because the assets aren't in his name. If the IRS does go after him, it can only ever get the money actually distributed from the trust. So, in the even the IRS goes after him & his assets, what the trustee would do is hold onto the trust assets until he settles with the IRS, then distribute things to him once the IRS has given up & gone away.

This is very complicated, so your parents would need to use a sophistocated estate planner to make sure the trust assets are protected from the IRS. They could set up the trust & have it funded (via the A/B trust) only if he is not current on his taxes when they die.
Thank you so much for your ideas. I had considered the splitting of the assets so that we would not share any, but in the case of the strip mall, my brother and I will be half-owners, it will be impossible to not share that asset (unfortunately, the most valuable asset in the estate).

Can the IRS force the sale of the strip mall if my brother is only a 25% shareholder?

And I will pose this idea of the "spendthrift trust" to my parents. Of course we'd have our estate attorney do it, but to be honest, I'm not crazy about my parents estate guy and I don't exactly trust him, so having a better idea of where we stand as far as exposure those who would do us harm and different options available to us is just great.
 

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