fishthirdcoast
Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Texas
So to make a long story short my father and I are now on very limited speaking terms (e-mails letting him know how much my tuition will be and when it is due and him not replying but still paying). I have reached the point that this about the only communication I wish to have with him as long as he continues to pay his part for my education. My only worry is that he will stop paying it and so my problem arises.
My grandparents set up a trust for my sister and any future children of my parents (me) before I was born, between 1980 and 1983 from what I have been able to find out so far, and put around $30-40,000 in it. My parents divorced in 1993 and at that time my mother had an accounting of the trust included in the divorce decree, she had contributed several thousand dollars to the trust when her father died and after spending more than what she had put into the trust to try and get it out she settled for an accounting of the trust in an official document. My father is the sole trustee of said trust and at the time of the accounting provided in the divorce decree there were $16,839.43 in Cash and Securities and a $25,650.00 note written to my father. In addition to the divorce decree I was able to obtain copies of two trusts done for my other cousins around the same time that the trust for my sister and I was written. They are almost identical to each other so I assume, though I cannot be sure, that our trust is similar to them with the exception that they had family friends, an accountant and a lawyer, name as trustees and ours has our father.
When my father and I first had a fight and he completely stopped paying for my education I e-mailed him asking for money from the trust since he would not pay and told him if need be I could send him a certified letter saying the same. He replied saying that:
"As the Trustee of the ***** - ***** Trust #2 (not cursing just blanked out the name of the trust) dated 2/10/80 I advise you that the entire corpus of the trust has been distributed several years ago in accordance with the terms and conditions of said trust agreement.
As you Father I suggest you change your tact and attitude."
The first thing that confused me about this is that the trust named in the divorce decree had a similar, though not exact, name. As in he referred to the trust as "Company Name 1- Company Name 2 Trust # 2" and the one in the decree is referred to as "My Grandfathers initials - Company Name 2 Trust # 2"
So my first question is would the difference in name make any difference? My father is known to be very tricky and shady (the reason my parents divorced is that my mother spent well over $250,000 helping him fight money laundering and tax evasion charges) so I would not put it beyond him to name another trust which is empty (I know he has one in his name) to claim that it empty because I did not specifically ask for my trust. He does not know that I know as much as I do about my trust and I do not want him to be aware of it so that I have at least one card in my hand should anything happen.
The second question on the same subject is that the date listed is before my sister was born, before she was even concieved, and 2 years before the other trusts were written. Would this add to the possiblity that he may be lieing about the specific trust?
Furthermore I actually seriously doubt that there is much left in the trust, though it is a possibility that he spent all of the money, mainly due the fact that he is terrible with money. My sister recieved a little money, possibly from the trust, to help her go to college. Somewhere in the area of $5,000 or so. The divorce decree says that child support could not be paid from the trust so I know it did not go towards that. Is there any way I can obtain the actual trust document or demand an accounting? And if he did manage to blow the money, I know atleast $25,000 was blown due to the $25,000 not made out to him that was most likely never repaid, is there any way that I can go about recovering some of that money, hopefully with interest?
He is well off, makes around $200,000 a year and owns one $350,000 piece of real estate in addition to his $250,000+ house, and would be able to pay should I win. He is known to hide his money very well, his commerical real estate is owned by a company he is the sole owner of and his paycheck is made out to the same company so that he can get a better tax rate, so I am sure that going about getting the money if I won could be more difficult than it should be.
I have around $10,000 of my money from my maternal grandmother that I could use to fight this in addition to any help my mother could provide. Should he cut me off would this be something worth pursuing or is it tossing good money down the drain attempting to get more?
Though I posted quite I bit here I know more information will most likely be needed so just ask for what you need and I will reply as soon as possible though the only information I have at my disposal at the moment is the trust documents from my cousins, the divorce decree, pretty much hateful e-mails form him, and what I have learned from my mother and over the years about the trust.
Thanks ahead of time,
J
So to make a long story short my father and I are now on very limited speaking terms (e-mails letting him know how much my tuition will be and when it is due and him not replying but still paying). I have reached the point that this about the only communication I wish to have with him as long as he continues to pay his part for my education. My only worry is that he will stop paying it and so my problem arises.
My grandparents set up a trust for my sister and any future children of my parents (me) before I was born, between 1980 and 1983 from what I have been able to find out so far, and put around $30-40,000 in it. My parents divorced in 1993 and at that time my mother had an accounting of the trust included in the divorce decree, she had contributed several thousand dollars to the trust when her father died and after spending more than what she had put into the trust to try and get it out she settled for an accounting of the trust in an official document. My father is the sole trustee of said trust and at the time of the accounting provided in the divorce decree there were $16,839.43 in Cash and Securities and a $25,650.00 note written to my father. In addition to the divorce decree I was able to obtain copies of two trusts done for my other cousins around the same time that the trust for my sister and I was written. They are almost identical to each other so I assume, though I cannot be sure, that our trust is similar to them with the exception that they had family friends, an accountant and a lawyer, name as trustees and ours has our father.
When my father and I first had a fight and he completely stopped paying for my education I e-mailed him asking for money from the trust since he would not pay and told him if need be I could send him a certified letter saying the same. He replied saying that:
"As the Trustee of the ***** - ***** Trust #2 (not cursing just blanked out the name of the trust) dated 2/10/80 I advise you that the entire corpus of the trust has been distributed several years ago in accordance with the terms and conditions of said trust agreement.
As you Father I suggest you change your tact and attitude."
The first thing that confused me about this is that the trust named in the divorce decree had a similar, though not exact, name. As in he referred to the trust as "Company Name 1- Company Name 2 Trust # 2" and the one in the decree is referred to as "My Grandfathers initials - Company Name 2 Trust # 2"
So my first question is would the difference in name make any difference? My father is known to be very tricky and shady (the reason my parents divorced is that my mother spent well over $250,000 helping him fight money laundering and tax evasion charges) so I would not put it beyond him to name another trust which is empty (I know he has one in his name) to claim that it empty because I did not specifically ask for my trust. He does not know that I know as much as I do about my trust and I do not want him to be aware of it so that I have at least one card in my hand should anything happen.
The second question on the same subject is that the date listed is before my sister was born, before she was even concieved, and 2 years before the other trusts were written. Would this add to the possiblity that he may be lieing about the specific trust?
Furthermore I actually seriously doubt that there is much left in the trust, though it is a possibility that he spent all of the money, mainly due the fact that he is terrible with money. My sister recieved a little money, possibly from the trust, to help her go to college. Somewhere in the area of $5,000 or so. The divorce decree says that child support could not be paid from the trust so I know it did not go towards that. Is there any way I can obtain the actual trust document or demand an accounting? And if he did manage to blow the money, I know atleast $25,000 was blown due to the $25,000 not made out to him that was most likely never repaid, is there any way that I can go about recovering some of that money, hopefully with interest?
He is well off, makes around $200,000 a year and owns one $350,000 piece of real estate in addition to his $250,000+ house, and would be able to pay should I win. He is known to hide his money very well, his commerical real estate is owned by a company he is the sole owner of and his paycheck is made out to the same company so that he can get a better tax rate, so I am sure that going about getting the money if I won could be more difficult than it should be.
I have around $10,000 of my money from my maternal grandmother that I could use to fight this in addition to any help my mother could provide. Should he cut me off would this be something worth pursuing or is it tossing good money down the drain attempting to get more?
Though I posted quite I bit here I know more information will most likely be needed so just ask for what you need and I will reply as soon as possible though the only information I have at my disposal at the moment is the trust documents from my cousins, the divorce decree, pretty much hateful e-mails form him, and what I have learned from my mother and over the years about the trust.
Thanks ahead of time,
J