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Old 03-10-2009, 06:23 PM
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21453 a


What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

I live in California and received a ticket for 21453 A.

I came out of a mall parking lot and made a right turn onto a busy street. The time was 9:05am so the mall was not open so there were no pedestrian traffic. However, there was some morning traffic on the street. The officer stated that I ran a red light.

I am wondering if I should contest this citation because:
1. I stopped and looked both way to ensure there were no pedestrians. I also looked to my left for on coming traffic. After ensuring that it is safe, I proceeded to make a right turn out of the parking lot.

2. The red light was a circular red and not a red arrow. I went back to confirm that there were no "No Right on Red" signs.

Should I just pay the fine and take traffic school. I am confident that I stopped, but I know I will have to prove this and it would be my word vs. the officer.

Any advise is appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.

Last edited by hdac2323; 03-13-2009 at 12:26 AM. Reason: I made a right out of the parking lot. Yes, I did come to a complete stop and did not pass the pedestrian line.
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Old 03-10-2009, 07:12 PM
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I came out of a mall parking lot and made a right turn onto a busy street. The time was 9:05am so the mall was not open so there were no pedestrian traffic. However, there was some morning traffic on the street. The officer stated that I ran a red light.

I am wondering if I should contest this citation because:
1. I stopped and looked both way to ensure there were no pedestrians. I also looked to my left for on coming traffic. After ensuring that it is safe, I proceeded to make a left turn out of the parking lot.
Did you make a right turn? or did you make a left turn? Or do you even know?
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1. I stopped and looked both way to ensure there were no pedestrians
A 21453(a) has nothing to do with pedestrians. You ran a red light.

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I also looked to my left for on coming traffic. After ensuring that it is safe, I proceeded to make a left turn out of the parking lot.
So according to this statement, you ran a red light.

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The red light was a circular red and not a red arrow.
Which means you cannot go straight or make a left turn until the light changes to green.

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I went back to confirm that there were no "No Right on Red" signs.
This has no connection or relation to you making a LEFT turn against a circular red light!

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Should I just pay the fine and take traffic school.
If you can do traffic school, pay double the fee and repeat the course. You really need it!

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I am confident that I stopped
You really really need it!!!
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:35 AM
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OP, did you come to a complete stop (no part of the vehicle, not even just the bumper, was moving in the slightest) prior to making your turn?
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