Take a look at a larger picture. The OP is here to solicit advice for a DEFENSE. You two geniuses habitually only tell people how guilty they are while rarely if ever offering a suggestion for a defense. Whenever someone does suggest an avenue for a defense, you two simply like to argue about it in an attempt to discredit the person trying to help and to demoralize the OP. Why you wouldn't try to suggest a defense as requested is beyond me. Some of them work, some don't. However, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
So, in this and practically any other thread in this forum... there are three things that can happen to the OPs.
1. Plead guilty as you would like for them to do.
2. Plead not guilty and fail in their defense. However, this costs them nothing more than a guilty plea (maybe a bit of their time).
3. Plead not guilty and win.
So, the way I see it, when an OP asks for advice and recieves it, you two would be INFINITELY more productive if you were to offer some suggestions for a defense rather than take a dump on any other defenses out there. If you guys are half as smart as your egos would believe that you are, you should be able to come up with some brilliant defenses. However, my suspicion is that you both are quite dim and you lead miserable lives. Your motives are clear, yet reprehensibe. The only way you gain any self-esteem is to bring down those around you by trying to dash any hopes they may have.
If someone offers a defense that you don't agree with, provide the OP with a better alternative. If you can't or you won't, then maybe you should just say nothing.