Ca Speeding Ticket.

[wisher23]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

I was driving around inside a state park. I drove through a part of the park that was closed to get to a area so i could take pictures of my car. Its a hobby of mine. i was driving through the parking lot and i mashed on the gas and spun tires from first to second gear. As i was leaving,and a park ranger stopped me. He said he was watching me from 100ft away and I explained i was looking for a spot to take pictures. He said he saw messing around in the parking lot and was just gonna give me a speeding ticket instead of exhibition of speed and stuff. He had no radar gun, and i for sure wasn't speeding. He gave me a 35 in a 25. I was pretty pissed, there was nothing i could do. Is it worth fighting for?

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by wisher23

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

I was driving around inside a state park. I drove through a part of the park that was closed to get to a area so i could take pictures of my car. Its a hobby of mine. i was driving through the parking lot and i mashed on the gas and spun tires from first to second gear. As i was leaving,and a park ranger stopped me. He said he was watching me from 100ft away and I explained i was looking for a spot to take pictures. He said he saw messing around in the parking lot and was just gonna give me a speeding ticket instead of exhibition of speed and stuff. He had no radar gun, and i for sure wasn't speeding. He gave me a 35 in a 25. I was pretty pissed, there was nothing i could do. Is it worth fighting for?

Perhaps you should consider public transportation...

http://forum.freeadvice.com/drunk-driving-dui-dwi-27/ca-dui-first-offense-360202.html

[proud_parent]

Originally Posted by wisher23

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

I was driving around inside a state park. I drove through a part of the park that was closed to get to a area so i could take pictures of my car. Its a hobby of mine. i was driving through the parking lot and i mashed on the gas and spun tires from first to second gear. As i was leaving,and a park ranger stopped me. He said he was watching me from 100ft away and I explained i was looking for a spot to take pictures. He said he saw messing around in the parking lot and was just gonna give me a speeding ticket instead of exhibition of speed and stuff. He had no radar gun, and i for sure wasn't speeding. He gave me a 35 in a 25. I was pretty pissed, there was nothing i could do. Is it worth fighting for?

What do you plan to assert as your defense?

Your honor, I should not have been cited for speeding; I should have been cited for trespassing and reckless driving.

[proud_parent]

Originally Posted by Zigner

Perhaps you should consider public transportation...

[url]http://forum.freeadvice.com/drunk-driving-dui-dwi-27/ca-dui-first-offense-360202.html[/url]

Beat me to it. I was about to post the same link.

[Jim_bo]

Originally Posted by proud_parent

Beat me to it. I was about to post the same link.

Well, it seems that you and Zigner share a spot on the same self-appointed perch. You guys should really start your own website. You could call it something like "Free Lectures of How You Are Irresponsible and Guilty.com" Until then, you should be reminded that this site is for people who are looking for assistance with preparing a defense to a legal issue that has happened in the past. Your lectures attempting to modify behavior in the future is absoulutely outside the scope of this site.

OP, can you provide all the details of your ticket? What were you charged with (VC section)? Was it legitmately a 25mph speed limit? What did he write on the ticket? Do you have a county court on your ticket that you are to respond to?? Please provide all the details you can.

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by Jim_bo

Well, it seems that you and Zigner share a spot on the same self-appointed perch. You guys should really start your own website. You could call it something like "Free Lectures of How You Are Irresponsible and Guilty.com" Until then, you should be reminded that this site is for people who are looking for assistance with preparing a defense to a legal issue that has happened in the past. Your lectures attempting to modify behavior in the future is absoulutely outside the scope of this site.

Thanks, I'll see what I can do. In the mean-time - who appointed you forum-cop again?

[patstew]

Originally Posted by Zigner

Thanks, I'll see what I can do. In the mean-time - who appointed you forum-cop again?

ZING!!! Or should I say ZIG?

[Jim_bo]

Originally Posted by Zigner

Thanks, I'll see what I can do. In the mean-time - who appointed you forum-cop again?

I never claimed to be the forum cop... I'm just a guy who tries to help people who come here for help. And I point out moronic, counter-productive behavior when I see it.

It is ironic that YOU would make a comment suggesting that I may have overstepped my role on this site. You are one of the least productive, biggest abusers of this site. I have read through many of your posts and found that you have countless people who make similar allegations against you. Your life must be pretty boring and bleak that you would spend so much time on this site just trying to berate and belittle people. Out of the nearly 19,000 posts you have made, I challenge you to produce 5 posts that were truly helpful. I made this challenge to you before, and of course you ignored it.

Of all the things in my life I am grateful for, one of the things that rate at the top is that I am glad I am not you.

[efflandt]

Back to the original subject, most cars can do at least 40-50 mph in 1st gear, and the OP admitted spinning the tires into 2nd gear. So that seems like an admission of going at least 35 mph (especially if automatic transmission).

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by Jim_bo

Of all the things in my life I am grateful for, one of the things that rate at the top is that I am glad I am not you.

Out of all you gibberish, THIS I can agree with.

[davew128]

Originally Posted by efflandt

Back to the original subject, most cars can do at least 40-50 mph in 1st gear

No manual transmission I've ever owned could. 35 TOPS.

[CdwJava]

Since it appears to be a parking area, and there is likely no justified or prima facie speed limit applicable, the officer will have to resort to a description of the actions and why they were unsafe given the circumstances.

I think the officer probably erred because he wrote you for an unsafe speed violation when he really SHOULD have written the exhibition of speed and appropriate trespassing section(s). While he thought he was cutting you a break (and he cut you a HUGE break as the fines are higher and he could have towed your car), all he did was give you an "out" for the citation. I suspect, in the future, the officer will learn from this not to cut people a break. Your benefit, others' loss.

- Carl

[Jim_bo]

Originally Posted by CdwJava

Since it appears to be a parking area, and there is likely no justified or prima facie speed limit applicable, the officer will have to resort to a description of the actions and why they were unsafe given the circumstances.

I think the officer probably erred because he wrote you for an unsafe speed violation when he really SHOULD have written the exhibition of speed and appropriate trespassing section(s). While he thought he was cutting you a break (and he cut you a HUGE break as the fines are higher and he could have towed your car), all he did was give you an "out" for the citation. I suspect, in the future, the officer will learn from this not to cut people a break. Your benefit, others' loss.

- Carl

I think you are right on, Carl... but I'd still like to know the details of the ticket. I'd especially like to know how the cop determined the OP's speed.

[CdwJava]

Originally Posted by Jim_bo

I think you are right on, Carl... but I'd still like to know the details of the ticket. I'd especially like to know how the cop determined the OP's speed.

Assuming it is a state park Ranger, I would assume it was entirely visual estimation (I have yet to see a radar mounted in a Ranger's car or truck ... though I suppose there might be a few). This, and the lack of a defined speed for the parking lot, he is left only with a subjective unsafe speed violation for which he will have to articulate WHY it was unsafe. Assuming an empty lot with no one around, as long as the car wasn't fishtailing or lighting up the rear tires such that it is possible that sudden traction could have propelled him forward into trees o other obstacles, I suspect the officer will lose this one.

He shoulda gone for the exhibition of speed and the trespassing (or related statutes for disregarding signs) and he likely would have had an easy time of it.

- Carl

[Jim_bo]

Originally Posted by CdwJava

Assuming it is a state park Ranger, I would assume it was entirely visual estimation (I have yet to see a radar mounted in a Ranger's car or truck ... though I suppose there might be a few). This, and the lack of a defined speed for the parking lot, he is left only with a subjective unsafe speed violation for which he will have to articulate WHY it was unsafe. Assuming an empty lot with no one around, as long as the car wasn't fishtailing or lighting up the rear tires such that it is possible that sudden traction could have propelled him forward into trees o other obstacles, I suspect the officer will lose this one.

He shoulda gone for the exhibition of speed and the trespassing (or related statutes for disregarding signs) and he likely would have had an easy time of it.

- Carl

I agree that if the OP fights it, the cop will have a challenge to present evidence proving that his speed was a violation of the basic speed law. However, just an aside comment, I absolutely HATE the "exhibition of speed" statute. It is so insanely vague (unconstitutionally so in my opinion) that it should be impossible to prosecute. However, the money hungry state we live in makes it almost impossible to defend against!! After all, in the People's Republic of Kalifonia, a person is guilty until proven innocent.