Chicago-Red light violation

[SarahB]

IL-IL--I just got a ticket in the mail, citing me for a "red light violation", captured by a camera. I was making a turn on red, which is legal at that intersection. I did come to a complete, but very brief, stop and I was over the white line. However, the 'red light violation', Code 9-102-020, only applies to 2 codes:
9-8-020(c)
***Except as provided in Section 9-16-030***, vehicular traffic facing a steady circular red signal alone shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown.

9-16-030(c)
Drivers may not turn left or right on a steady red signal when official traffic-control devices have been erected indicating that such turns are prohibited.

As you see, the first one has an exception. This is the code that I supposedly violated:
9-16-030(a)
Except as provided in subsection (c), the driver of a vehicle may turn right when facing a steady red signal; provided, however, he may do so only from the lane closest to the right-hand curb or edge of roadway, must come to a full stop and must yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

But, the red light violation does not cover this code. It specifically says 9-8-020(c) and 9-16-030(c). I violated neither of those codes.
The ticket is $100, and I plan to fight it in person.

[FlyingRon]

If your stop was after the line, you ran the red.
If your "brief" stop wasn't a complete cessation of movement, you ran the red.

If neither applies, then fight it.

[SarahB]

The law regarding right turn on red does not state you have to stop at the line. Regardless, the "red light violation" does not apply to right turns on red (if it is allowed).
Here's the reason I love Chicago--I asked for a hearing, but I found out that all this means is "they" have a hearing without you. You aren't even notified. And that determination is final. The only reasons you can contest this ruling are: It wasn't your vehicle, you already paid the fine, or you didn't respond to the initial notice. You have no way to even fight the ticket!!!

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by SarahB

The law regarding right turn on red does not state you have to stop at the line.

I had to wait a moment to stop laughing before I could type the following response:

Prove it with a cite...

[FlyingRon]

Disproven by statute. The right turn on red requires a complete stop prior to the stop light/crosswalk.


ILCS 5/11-306(c) Steady red signal
1. Except as provided in paragraph 3 of this

subsection (c), vehicular traffic facing a steady circular red signal alone shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if there is no such stop line, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or if there is no such crosswalk, then before entering the intersection, and shall remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown.

3. Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn

and local authorities by ordinance or State authorities by rule or regulation prohibit any such turn, vehicular traffic facing any steady red signal may cautiously enter the intersection to turn right, or to turn left from a one‑way street into a one‑way street, after stopping as required by paragraph 1 or paragraph 2 of this subsection. After stopping, the driver shall yield the right of way to any vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another roadway so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time such driver is moving across or within the intersection or junction or roadways. Such driver shall yield the right of way to pedestrians within the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk.

[FlyingRon]

Your assertion is wrong on the original statutes you posted. You violated 9-8-020(c)
because the included exemption for -030 doesn't apply.

To paraphrase -020(c) says

You must stop at red before entering the intersection unless you are doing something in -030.

However -030(a) says you can make a right on red if under conditions. Since you didn't comply with those conditions, then the exemption in -020(c) doesn't hold and hence you have violated -020(c).

[delfinparis]

I just received a 9-8-020, but on my bike this morning on my commute! I have a spotless record for moving violations. Is this legit? Can this be fought, or should I just pay and do the traffic online class? Couldn't believe it when the cop asked for my license and then took it away - is this legit?

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by delfinparis

I just received a 9-8-020, but on my bike this morning on my commute! I have a spotless record for moving violations. Is this legit? Can this be fought, or should I just pay and do the traffic online class? Couldn't believe it when the cop asked for my license and then took it away - is this legit?

First: Don't hijack posts.
Second: You are supposed to follow the rules of the road when riding to your bike