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05-30-2007, 11:07 PM
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| | | ENRADD Calibtration?
What is the name of your state? PA
Hi,
I just got a citation for doing 46 in a 25 mph zone and I don't believe that I am guilty of the offense. I was hoping that someone could explain to me if there are potential holes in the "ENRADD" system, the system which they said they used in the night of the defense, as I do not believe I was travelling that fast. I do not think that the machine was reading correctly that night. Here are some things I've noticed:
First of all I am a safe driver with no prior offenses.
*The road where I was cited in question meanders greatly, making it difficult to travel that fast on such a road.
*I was following a car maintaining a 3 second following distance (a 4 door white sedan) in front of me who was also not visably speeding. How can I be travelling in step with such a car and going faster than it at the same time?
The offense in question occured at about 9:45 at night on a back road. I'd appreciate any advice you can give me. Thanks. |
05-30-2007, 11:12 PM
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| | | If you're pacing another car, then the other car isn't going to seem like it's speeding from your perspective, so I fail to see the relevance here.
Oh, and don't think another car speeding is supposed to somehow get you off the hook. |
05-30-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Occultist  If you're pacing another car, then the other car isn't going to seem like it's speeding from your perspective, so I fail to see the relevance here.
Oh, and don't think another car speeding is supposed to somehow get you off the hook. | I might have been somewhat exceeding the speed limit if he wants to go that route, but I wasn't going 46. No way, no how. Is there any way that the system could be calibrated incorrectly of have made a mistake? Any advice? |
05-31-2007, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkOnyx I might have been somewhat exceeding the speed limit if he wants to go that route, but I wasn't going 46. No way, no how. Is there any way that the system could be calibrated incorrectly of have made a mistake? Any advice? | I'm not doing your research. Google "ENRADD". I entered that in and was given several links that implied they would show you how to beat the ticket, all on the first page. |
05-31-2007, 09:48 AM
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| | | I got tagged a while ago by a cop using ENRADD and although I am a fast driver, and received 2 other speeding tickets within a year before (both dismissed), there is no question in my mind that I was not going as fast as they said (51 in a 35). But my opinion was (and is) irrelevant.
Look at the ticket and check the calibration date. Check cal station and make sure it is listed in the PA Bulletin. Officer will need to provide judicial notice at hearing. There are other things you need to look at.
The local cops are much more prepared that the state boys are for a hearing (locals are more revenue sensitive I suspect) and I was only able to negotiate down the ENRADD ticket. So it costs $6 to go to a hearing and although it is a gamble, it is only $6 and some time. You will probably be given the opportunity to negotiate with the officer(s) before the hearing. I was not offered that chance with the state tickets.
I spent alot of time doing research into case law etc.. Good luck.
BTW make copies of your ticket before you send in the bottom portion to plead not guilty.
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05-31-2007, 02:59 PM
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| | | Those time distance calculators are highly unreliable and suseptable to opertor error especially when a short distanc is used. Lou has some goood advice.
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05-31-2007, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Occultist If you're pacing another car, then the other car isn't going to seem like it's speeding from your perspective, so I fail to see the relevance here.
Oh, and don't think another car speeding is supposed to somehow get you off the hook. |
That is all irrelevant speculation.
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05-31-2007, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cepe10 That is all irrelevant speculation. | I was simply pointing out the flaw in the OP's logic. He seems to be pretty damn sure of himself for somebody who doesn't actually know how fast he was driving. |
05-31-2007, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by The Occultist I'm not doing your research. Google "ENRADD". I entered that in and was given several links that implied they would show you how to beat the ticket, all on the first page. | First of all, lose the attitude. I've gotten far worse from better. I was just asking if you know off hand.
Second of all I did google the term ENRADD. Believe it or not that's the first thing I tried. I know all about the wondrous world of google. I found "how to beat the ticket!!!" and then I got "for premium registered members only." Somebody too was also trying to sell me his informational ebook... for the low low price of $19.95.
I spent all day researching this actually. I found some good advice... if anybody has been busted by ENRADD, shoot me a PM, I think I've found some information that might help.
Look I appreciate the help and all, really I do. But I am not an idiot, not lazy, and this is actually my FIRST "speeding violation" I've ever had. |
05-31-2007, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by loulblades I got tagged a while ago by a cop using ENRADD and although I am a fast driver, and received 2 other speeding tickets within a year before (both dismissed), there is no question in my mind that I was not going as fast as they said (51 in a 35). But my opinion was (and is) irrelevant.
Look at the ticket and check the calibration date. Check cal station and make sure it is listed in the PA Bulletin. Officer will need to provide judicial notice at hearing. There are other things you need to look at.
The local cops are much more prepared that the state boys are for a hearing (locals are more revenue sensitive I suspect) and I was only able to negotiate down the ENRADD ticket. So it costs $6 to go to a hearing and although it is a gamble, it is only $6 and some time. You will probably be given the opportunity to negotiate with the officer(s) before the hearing. I was not offered that chance with the state tickets.
I spent alot of time doing research into case law etc.. Good luck.
BTW make copies of your ticket before you send in the bottom portion to plead not guilty. | Thanks a lot Lou, I'll do just that.
Also...... my ticket doesn't mention a calibration date.....  |
06-01-2007, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkOnyx Thanks a lot Lou, I'll do just that.
Also...... my ticket doesn't mention a calibration date..... | Your ticket will not mention such. That is something you will want to find out via Discovery. Heh, you can google that too!  |
06-01-2007, 08:24 AM
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| | | The cal date should be on the ticket along with the station that did the cal. Should be in item 56 and 57 on bottom half of ticket.
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"Chance favors the prepared mind" - Louis Pastuer
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06-04-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by loulblades The cal date should be on the ticket along with the station that did the cal. Should be in item 56 and 57 on bottom half of ticket. | Much obliged Lou, thanks a lot. |
08-12-2007, 05:12 PM
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| | | [quote=DarkOnyx;1643567]
I spent all day researching this actually. I found some good advice... if anybody has been busted by ENRADD, shoot me a PM, I think I've found some information that might help.
QUOTE]
Hello,
I have been stopped by an office using the ENRADD device. Please help me with the information that you have found.
Thanks.
Jeff |
08-12-2007, 09:26 PM
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| | [quote=jdeday;1691440] Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkOnyx I spent all day researching this actually. I found some good advice... if anybody has been busted by ENRADD, shoot me a PM, I think I've found some information that might help.
QUOTE]
Hello,
I have been stopped by an office using the ENRADD device. Please help me with the information that you have found.
Thanks.
Jeff | Firstly, it is inappropriate to hijack a thread. Secondly, the person you are posting to told you to ask for help through a PM, or Private Message, a function the board uses so you can directly message the user. | |
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