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Old 04-26-2006, 08:54 AM
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A few questions before I take my speeding ticket to court!


What is the name of your state? Registered driver in Canada - ticketed in Minnesota.

Hi all...I went down to Duluth, MN for the weekend for a wedding. On the way, I had my cruise control set at 66mph in a 55mph zone. I was pulled over and fined for going 72 mph, which is impossible unless my speedometer is off (Highly unlikely as my speed on the speedometer matches the speed shown on my GPS).

First things first, I'm going to write and ask for a copy of the officer's ticket (I write directly to the police station for this?) and I'm going to write the prosecuter and ask for the radar calibration records and such (I write the court house for this?)

I've also done some research and found a few things....
1) According to the Minnesota HIghway Traffic Regulations Act;
169.983 Speeding violation; credit card payment of fine.

(a) The officer who issues a citation for a violation by a
person who does not reside in Minnesota of section 169.14 shall
give the defendant the option to plead guilty to the violation
upon issuance of the citation and to pay the fine to the issuing
officer with a credit card.

(b) The commissioner of public safety shall adopt rules to
implement this section, including specifying the types of credit
cards that may be used.

The officer never mentioned paying on the spot in any way, shape or form. How much will this help me?

Also, Subd. 1b. Speed. The uniform traffic ticket must
provide a blank or space wherein an officer who issues a
citation for a violation of a speed limit of 55 or 60 miles per
hour must specify whether the speed was greater than ten miles
per hour in excess of a 55 miles per hour speed limit, or more
than five miles per hour in excess of a 60 miles per hour speed
limit.

Does this mean that the ticket SHOULD say for example 17 mph over the limit of 55 mph? On the ticket itself, it says exactly:
"SPEED (OVER LIMIT) 72 mph in 55 mph zone.
Is this a mistake on his part?

The officer also changed his story - when he first told me I was doing 72, I asked him if he had a reading of this to which he responded "No." When he came back to give me the ticket I asked if he was sure he didn't have it back there to which he said "Oh, I do have it, but you can't see it for my own and your safety." So yeah, he changed his story.

Finally, he neglected to fill in the colour of my car on the ticket...it's just blank...does that help me at all in the state of Minnesota?

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for any advice! It's greatly appreciated!
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:01 AM
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What is the name of your state? Registered driver in Canada - ticketed in Minnesota.

Hi all...I went down to Duluth, MN for the weekend for a wedding. On the way, I had my cruise control set at 66mph in a 55mph zone. I was pulled over and fined for going 72 mph, which is impossible unless my speedometer is off (Highly unlikely as my speed on the speedometer matches the speed shown on my GPS).

First things first, I'm going to write and ask for a copy of the officer's ticket (I write directly to the police station for this?) and I'm going to write the prosecuter and ask for the radar calibration records and such (I write the court house for this?)

I've also done some research and found a few things....
1) According to the Minnesota HIghway Traffic Regulations Act;
169.983 Speeding violation; credit card payment of fine.

(a) The officer who issues a citation for a violation by a
person who does not reside in Minnesota of section 169.14 shall
give the defendant the option to plead guilty to the violation
upon issuance of the citation and to pay the fine to the issuing
officer with a credit card.

(b) The commissioner of public safety shall adopt rules to
implement this section, including specifying the types of credit
cards that may be used.

The officer never mentioned paying on the spot in any way, shape or form. How much will this help me?

Also, Subd. 1b. Speed. The uniform traffic ticket must
provide a blank or space wherein an officer who issues a
citation for a violation of a speed limit of 55 or 60 miles per
hour must specify whether the speed was greater than ten miles
per hour in excess of a 55 miles per hour speed limit, or more
than five miles per hour in excess of a 60 miles per hour speed
limit.

Does this mean that the ticket SHOULD say for example 17 mph over the limit of 55 mph? On the ticket itself, it says exactly:
"SPEED (OVER LIMIT) 72 mph in 55 mph zone.
Is this a mistake on his part?

The officer also changed his story - when he first told me I was doing 72, I asked him if he had a reading of this to which he responded "No." When he came back to give me the ticket I asked if he was sure he didn't have it back there to which he said "Oh, I do have it, but you can't see it for my own and your safety." So yeah, he changed his story.

Finally, he neglected to fill in the colour of my car on the ticket...it's just blank...does that help me at all in the state of Minnesota?

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for any advice! It's greatly appreciated!

Are you familiar with the phrase grasping at straws?

Nothing in your post comes faintly close to a defense.



Standard answer

Here are some hints on appearing in court:

Dress professionally in clean clothes.

Do not wear message shirts.

Don't chew gum, smoke, or eat. (Smokers...pot or tobacco...literally stink. Remember that before you head for court.)

Bathe and wash your hair.

Do not bring small children or your friends.

Go to court beforehand some day before you actually have to go to watch how things go.

Speak politely and deferentially. If you argue or dispute something, do it professionally and without emotion.

Ask the court clerk who you talk to about a diversion (meaning you want to plead to a different, lesser charge), if applicable in your situation. Ask about traffic school and that the ticket not go on your record, if applicable. Ask also about getting a hardship driving permit, if applicable. Ask about drug court, if applicable.

From marbol:

“Judge...

You forgot the one thing that I've seen that seems to frizz up most judges these days:

If you have a cell phone, make DAMN SURE that it doesn't make ANY noise in the courtroom. This means when you are talking to the judge AND when you are simply sitting in the court room.

If you have a ‘vibrate’ position on your cell phone, MAKE sure the judge DOESN'T EVEN HEAR IT VIBRATE!

Turn it off or put it in silent mode where it flashes a LED if it rings. AND DON'T even DREAM about answering it if it rings.”

(Better yet, don’t carry your cell phone into the courtroom.)”


Here are five stories that criminal court judges hear the most (and I suggest you do not use them or variations of them):

1. I’ve been saved! (This is not religion specific; folks from all kinds of religious backgrounds use this one.)

2. My girlfriend/mother/sister/daughter/wife/ex-wife/niece/grandma/grand-daughter is pregnant/sick/dying/dead/crippled/crazy and needs my help.

3. I’ve got a job in [name a state five hundred miles away].

4. This is the first time I ever did this. (This conflicts with number 5 below, but that hasn’t stopped some defendants from using both.)

5. You’ve got the wrong guy. (A variation of this one is the phantom defendant story: “It wasn’t me driving, it was a hitchhiker I picked up. He wrecked the car, drug me behind the wheel then took off.” Or, another variation: “I was forced into it by a bad guy!”)

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Public defender’s advice

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Other people may give you other advice; stand by.
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:10 AM
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Heh, both interesting links. Thanks for the reply...

I realize that I'm just trying to find loopholes in the law (Isn't that what the legal system is all about? ). I have no problem paying a speeding ticket, and have paid my fair share of them in the past. However, I do not like the idea of paying a ticket for an offense which I did not commit!

I also realize that my best bet is probably getting the radar gun calibration records...there's just no way a properly functioning radar gun would have clocked me at that speed....

Oh, and don't worry - I am a professional and a great dresser. I would never dream of answering my cell phone in a movie theater, let alone a court room!

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Old 04-26-2006, 06:38 PM
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Does a GPS system track one's speed separate from the speedometer? or does it get its reading from the speedometer. If it's the latter then what your GPS says is irrelevant. Also, were you actually watching your speedometer the whole time? or did you just assume that the cruise control kept you at the speed you wanted? Many people are shocked to realize that cruise control is not an exact science and that there is definitely a range of speeds your cruise control will keep you at. It's for this reason that the cruise control defense just won't work. You're right in trying to get the radar logs because it will probably be the only real defense you have, assuming it works out for you.
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:24 AM
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My GPS is an add-on unit, so it tracks my speed separate from my speedometer.

But no, I wasn't watching my speed the whole time...Just had it left on cruise control. I guess it's possible the speed variated from the set speed a bit, but I've never seen it deviate that much while on cruise control before...
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Old 04-27-2006, 06:21 PM
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Have you checked to see if they will report the ticket. If not why go to all the trouble?
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Old 04-27-2006, 06:26 PM
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Have you checked to see if they will report the ticket. If not why go to all the trouble?
One time I had a Canadian before me who had driven a thousand miles to contest a speeding ticket (2 points and $100).

Must be a Canadian thing....
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Old 04-28-2006, 07:17 AM
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My GPS is an add-on unit, so it tracks my speed separate from my speedometer.

But no, I wasn't watching my speed the whole time...Just had it left on cruise control. I guess it's possible the speed variated from the set speed a bit, but I've never seen it deviate that much while on cruise control before...
Does your GPS also record speeds? If you could pull some logs from it showing that at the time in question you were driving at a legal speed, you might have a shot...
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:49 AM
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Nah, the GPS doesn't record my speed unfortunately...that would have been too easy!

The only reason I was willing to actually contest the ticket was because I have a wedding to attend in the U.S. that week, and would have been driving through there anyways.

I am debating just paying it though...The court date is on Wednesday, and I was hoping to leave Tuesday night. I just gotta decide if I should wait the extra 12 hours to save $150...
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Old 04-28-2006, 12:14 PM
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especially since you fully admit that you WERE speeding, ummmmm isn't 66 in a 55 zone SPEEDING??
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Old 04-28-2006, 02:03 PM
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When you turn your GPS on and calculate a route, the Satellite first has to download all your information IE: (where you are, speed, direction etc...) to their satellite system..... then calculate based on upon your speed, then download it back to you.

I have noticed taking what started off as 65mph trip and an arrival time of 4:00 p.m., then 1/2 through the trip pick up speed to 75mph, it has recalculated the arrival time to a very noticeable lesser time that 4:00 p.m., so it is keeping track of speed throughout your drive. Call your GPS and see if they keep any record.
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