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Old 10-03-2004, 10:03 PM
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Officer removed my copy of summons


What is the name of your state? VA
I received a summons for Disregarding a traffic signal. If i had stopped when it turned yellow i would have skidded thru the intersection. I know this will be my word against the officers, so i dont have much help there. My question is, the police officer removed my copy of the summons before i sighed it, so i didnt really receive a final summons,i dont know if anything was added to the copy i signed. is this right? I know with any kind of contract all copy must be sighed before removed. Let me know what you think, thanks
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Old 10-03-2004, 10:33 PM
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Let me know what you think, thanks
I think you need to either plea guilty and pay your fine before the court date, or show up at the time/date ordered.
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In some states a signature is not even required for certain violations ... VA may be one of those places.

Ultim,ately it is not going to get you off the hook for the violation, it might only make it tought to prosecute you for failing to appear in court.

If all you have is the unsigned copy, then certainly bring it up in court but don't count on it getting you off.

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Old 10-04-2004, 01:06 PM
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Signing the citation has no bearing and you can even refuse to sign and the officer will do nothing except in Texas. There you go directly to jail. In any event the officer has the signed original.

A traffic ticket is not a contract.

Check with the clerk of court and see if you are eligible for traffic school. Most courts in VA are now accepting online traffic school. Here is a link.

[url]http://www.trafficschoolonline.com/?lcode=4013[/url]
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Old 10-04-2004, 09:43 PM
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Signing the citation has no bearing and you can even refuse to sign and the officer will do nothing except in Texas. There you go directly to jail.
And of course, that isn't correct. The driver signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, but only a promise to appear. If the driver refuses to sign the ticket, he/she can be arrested in ANY state.
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Old 10-05-2004, 11:18 AM
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And of course, that isn't correct. The driver signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, but only a promise to appear. If the driver refuses to sign the ticket, he/she can be arrested in ANY state.
Read the post again. I only said that this would happen in Texas, not that they did not have the authority. In some states the officer does not even bother to request a signature although there is a place on the citation.
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Old 10-05-2004, 02:45 PM
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Read the post again. I only said that this would happen in Texas, not that they did not have the authority. In some states the officer does not even bother to request a signature although there is a place on the citation.
Contrary to your latest attempted spin, that is NOT what your post says.... nor is it true.
You said: "Signing the citation has no bearing and you can even refuse to sign and the officer will do nothing except in Texas."
The TRUTH is:
1) Refusing to sign a citation in ANY state, could be grounds for your arrest and detention, and
2) If you were to refuse to sign in TEXAS, the officer may or may not decide to arrest and detain you.
Simply, there is NO obligation to release a cited person who refuses to sign the promise to appear.... nor is there a statutory requirement to arrest and/or detain.... in ANY state. It is purely up to the officers discretion.... and departmental policy. Texas or not.
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