Politics in Policing

[kittymeow]

What is the name of your state? CA
I am sure you will report me for abuse. I was searching the net cuz I have not heard a reply to my post. I got my answer but I was reading some of the answers that the police officers were writing to citizens. It was embarrasing! (I have friends in law enforcement and use to date one as well) In any case, I was so sickened as to what they wrote! One officer said that people should NEVER ask to see a radar gun or 'proof' because it questions their authority. We, as citizens, have the right to know. At the end of the day, the police are taking a lot of rights away from citizens and if asking for them to produce evidence is going to be a "no-no because it questions their 'authority' " as one officer stated, then big deal. Worse things have happened. Offers harass people on a daily basis because THEY ARE THE AUTHORITY!
It's a money making world. You pay your bail first, right? People, go to your local libraries and do your reading!! Get your reading down! If the judge dismisses your ticket guess what happens? The county gets nothing! You get your money back (or partial, anyway). Your little friend get mad. So what? (That's if he shows up)
I got pulled over for CVC 22350. I am fighting it. First: CVC 40902 (b)- Trial by Written Declaration. If I am found guilty, I will ask for a new trial...moving on...

[seniorjudge]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by kittymeow

What is the name of your state? CA
I am sure you will report me for abuse. I was searching the net cuz I have not heard a reply to my post. I got my answer but I was reading some of the answers that the police officers were writing to citizens. It was embarrasing! (I have friends in law enforcement and use to date one as well) In any case, I was so sickened as to what they wrote! One officer said that people should NEVER ask to see a radar gun or 'proof' because it questions their authority. We, as citizens, have the right to know. At the end of the day, the police are taking a lot of rights away from citizens and if asking for them to produce evidence is going to be a "no-no because it questions their 'authority' " as one officer stated, then big deal. Worse things have happened. Offers harass people on a daily basis because THEY ARE THE AUTHORITY!
It's a money making world. You pay your bail first, right? People, go to your local libraries and do your reading!! Get your reading down! If the judge dismisses your ticket guess what happens? The county gets nothing! You get your money back (or partial, anyway). Your little friend get mad. So what? (That's if he shows up)
I got pulled over for CVC 22350. I am fighting it. First: CVC 40902 (b)- Trial by Written Declaration. If I am found guilty, I will ask for a new trial...moving on...

I think you are misunderstanding what you are being told. You probably do have the right to see the radar information, but not while you're standing/sitting on the side of the road arguing with the officer!

[kittymeow]

I was not arguing with him, actually. I asked to see the 'so-called evidence' after much stuttering, on his part. It is after his "well..um..oh...I ...um...you can't go to my car," that I realized that I do not need bootcamp and a badge to know that this officer was a...you get it. He had no idea how fast I was going because he was "eye balling me." Whatever his trick of the trade was, if he did not want to 'produce' evidence, he could have said, "no." I am not the type to argue,especially since I know that officers take advantage of their authority all of the time. Whether it is your ethnicity, the words that you speak or even your dress, they so it because they can.
Put it this way: I have a jetta. Had I been going at the said speed of '70' or more, my car would have flipped. Plain and simple. I drive down the canyons everday for the past 15 years. I know how fast I was going. It was a shock to me. I have received speeding tickets before (one actually) and have said, "I know. Sorry. I was on my way to school and I did not want to fail my final." It was the truth.
Senior Judge can kiss my ass on this one.

[kittymeow]

One more thing: The information I received was done by partial google search. The rest was actually done by your local friendly police. Thank them

[racer72]

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. You are doing a fine job of that.

[kittymeow]

Absolutely not. I am encouraging debate, if you are not cognizant of it. On the contrary, I want to see what people are feeling about it. And your last line? I find it rather infatile.
I would expect something stupendous out of you, especially if you think I didn't want people to reply. People are afraid of the police. Actually, this was not what my first question was even about. But that's okay. You released some sort of rage within. I get it. Psychotropics are helpful!

[CdwJava]

Originally Posted by kittymeow

In any case, I was so sickened as to what they wrote! One officer said that people should NEVER ask to see a radar gun or 'proof' because it questions their authority. We, as citizens, have the right to know.

The main reason most officers are not going to let you look at their radar is safety.

First, the officer is placed at greater risk by allowing you back to his vehicle. Second, YOU are placed at greater risk walking back to his vehicle - particularly on busy streets or freeways. Should you get hit, do you really think the officer is not going to get sued?!

It's a money making world. You pay your bail first, right? People, go to your local libraries and do your reading!! Get your reading down! If the judge dismisses your ticket guess what happens? The county gets nothing! You get your money back (or partial, anyway). Your little friend get mad. So what? (That's if he shows up)
I got pulled over for CVC 22350. I am fighting it. First: CVC 40902 (b)- Trial by Written Declaration. If I am found guilty, I will ask for a new trial...moving on...

Your fees and fines do not even come close to reimbursing local law enforcement for their time. We get about $22 from every $100 fine - and the total amount is capped by statute to varying levels by jurisdiction. Many agencies reach their max. reimbursement after 9 months ... if it was about money, they would stop doing traffic enforcement in April every year. And, if it were about the money, we'd have an army of parking and code enforcement officers because THOSE fines go almost entirely to the city or county.

- Carl

[ajkroy]

I usually only chime in on the medical questions, but I felt compelled to write something here. As a mother in my mid-thirties, I have never had a need or desire to question a police officer's authority. About a million years ago, I got a speeding ticket once and I was arrested once, and in both cases, I was treated with an almost embarrassing amount of respect. Once I acknowledged my error, I found both officers to be kind and actually helpful.

I get annoyed when clueless people start spouting off like they are the next Patrick Henry to try to get people to "assert" their rights. Rights against whom? These men and women LITERALLY put their lives on the line daily to keep me and my loved ones, as well as you and yours, safe.

Maybe the officer that OP dated was a bully...or maybe the OP has a penchant for fracturing more than the occasional law and is frustrated that law enforcement is doing what they are supposed to do. Regardless, if you don't like the way those in blue serve and protect this country, then either run for Congress or move out.

By the way, I immigrated to this country. Try it somewhere else for a while and see if you still feel the same.

[cepe10]

Very much correct...and well said. Vague and mysterious "Policy" dictates everything... In Maryland there are 30 pages (each with about 50 lines) of violation codes for motor vehicle violations - how many are enforced and to what degree?? - you guessed it - it is not up to the citizens of the state but rather to the politicians and higher up's in law enforcement with their own agenda after being indoctrinated...

Basically what is easy to enforce is enforced. It is easy to get speeding convictions and the LEO's get away without providing foundation or proof with the tailored testimony they provide the court everytime so it is like a factory operation...

Many other laws - impeding etc. which cause gridlock are NEVER enforced.

When an officer refuses to provide foundation and can't provide an explaination for why he could not provide calibration reports etc. for the unit he is using in particular that should result in dismissal everytime... Not showing the reading is a more troublesome issue - the officer can lock onto Carl traveling at normal LEO commute speed of 90 mph and then use the same reading all day long on unsuspecting motorists...Abiding by NHSTA guidlines and provide complete tracking history is what should really be required.

The courts have obviously just made it easy to promote more convictions and more fines...

[moburkes]

You write a post without asking a legal question.
SJ is confused by it (me too, until I kept reading further).
You tell SJ to kiss your ass, which should have automatically gotten you booted from the site, but he's being generous today, I guess.
Then you say that you are encouraging debate. This isn't a debate website.
I'd love to see the link that proves you to be correct.
Cepe10, I am surprised by your response today. Usually you don't make that type of mistake.

[keithroane]

I was speeding one time. It was a joke because I recently crashed a supercharged Trans am with allot of motor work and ended up driving this slow azz Pontiac sunfire as a rental.

Any way my friend in the passenger was being sarcastic as he told me "bad azz ride" or something and followed to ask dose it even do 100? I was like proly not

Anyway, as we were trying to top this poor excuse of car out, a cop radars the car while going over a bridge over a lake.

He said he clocked me at 93MPH but when he showed me his dash mounted Custom Signals radar it was locked at 92MPH.

My attorney in discovery found there were no other cars clocked that day at 93 or 92 MPH however going over the lake bridge there was no way to tell if that speed was my car or a speed boat and the ticket was dismissed.

So anyway whether or not I was able to see the unit or not did not matter.

[CdwJava]

Originally Posted by keithroane

He said he clocked me at 93MPH but when he showed me his dash mounted Custom Signals radar it was locked at 92MPH.

My attorney in discovery found there were no other cars clocked that day at 93 or 92 MPH however going over the lake bridge there was no way to tell if that speed was my car or a speed boat and the ticket was dismissed.

It sounds as if he locked you in just after he got your speed and it recycled before he got a lock.

HOW did your attorney find there were no other cars clocked that day at 92 or 93? Is there a photo radar up on the bridge?

And someone was asleep at the switch if they allowed the supposition that the stationary radar pointing down the bridge was going to somehow clock a boat traveling laterally beneath the roadway! You got darn lucky! Or the officer/prosecutor was asleep.

- Carl

[keithroane]

in grand praire tey have to make a chart or list of all the cars they clocked that day. i guess it was in that paperwork

[CdwJava]

Originally Posted by keithroane

in grand praire tey have to make a chart or list of all the cars they clocked that day. i guess it was in that paperwork

Interesting ... I've never heard of that done anywhere else.

- Carl