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Old 01-03-2006, 02:13 PM
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s 75 3361 in Pa

What is the name of your state?PA

I was going up a hill coming to a curve in the road, and the cop was coming from the opposite side, and we passed each other right on the curve. He then turned around and pulled me over. He gave me a ticket for 3361 and he added "possibly driving too fast". The speed limit was 40, and I was doing 40. If I tell them that the cop has no proof how fast I was going, and that I was going 40 ( because my speedometer said 40 ), they're going to tell me that he doesn't need proof for 3361. I wasn't going too fast, it was a dry, sunny day around 3 in the afternoon, and I didn't cross to the other side. What else can I use in my defense so I can win the case?
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Old 01-03-2006, 02:46 PM
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What else can I use in my defense so I can win the case?
That depends on what defense(s) you have available. They could range from:
- "My wife was giving birth and I was on the way to the hospital"
to
- "Wasn't me. I am deceased."
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There are at least 17 lawsuits (!!) pending in various courts, including the US Supreme Court, asking if Obama is a natural born citizen (as req'd by Art II, Sec 1 of the US Constitution).

Why has he spent over $1.35M in legal fees to block disclosure... rather than spend $12 for a VALID birth cert to settle the matter? The 'certificate' he has presented doesn't qualify to get a drivers license, wouldn't allow a child to qualify for Little League, or for a real citizen to get a US passport!
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Old 01-04-2006, 12:46 AM
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That depends on what defense(s) you have available. They could range from:
- "My wife was giving birth and I was on the way to the hospital"
to
- "Wasn't me. I am deceased."
I don't think he appreciates this very much.

Maybe it'd be helpful to provide a little more information, perhaps on your record?
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Old 01-04-2006, 12:52 AM
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I don't think he appreciates this very much.

Maybe it'd be helpful to provide a little more information, perhaps on your record?
and once you learn something like -- they do not care if you go to chruch everyday and have the cleanest most perfect criminal/ traffic record in the world. They do not care...... the sentences are not as bad but you will still have heavy fines. Do not do the crime unless you can not handle the time.....
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Old 01-04-2006, 01:11 AM
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I'm not saying that he can get off with a gentle pat on the wrist, but he's here for legal advice, not comedy.
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Old 01-04-2006, 11:02 AM
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Were there any other notes on the citation? For instance what would indicate you were going too fast for conditions (ie: tires squeling, crossed line etc). If you are going to fight this I would have PENNDOT info on road condition, weather info etc. The officer will need to provide reason he determined you were going too fast for conditions (like loss of control) during his testimony at which point you can ask him/her questions.

A state officer friend once told me 3361 is kind of a catch all thing. It can be used pretty much anytime they want to give out a ticket or if you want to give someone a break (but not as lenient as a warning) since it carries only 2 points no matter how fast you were going.

Hopefully you will get a magistrate that will listen. Either way, do your best to show respect (whether you feel it is due or not).
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Old 01-04-2006, 07:41 PM
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Thanks for being so nice and understanding, kskjaeger and loulblades. The only other information that the officer wrote at the bottom of the ticket over where it says remarks was: "possibly speeding". And as I said, conditions were perfect, middle of the afternoon around 3 o'clock, no tires squealing or anything, I was doing exactly the speed limit, I didn't cross the line, and I didn't lose control. All I did was pass by him, and he turned around and pulled me over.
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Old 01-05-2006, 10:16 AM
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Thanks for being so nice and understanding, kskjaeger and loulblades.
Sorry, but you obviously have mistaken the intent of this forum. Neither of the persons you 'thanked' actually gave you any legal advice.... they just gave you sympathy. So, please post your issues over at the Oprah or Dr Phil websites.... as they will give you all the 'warm-fuzzies' you so desperately are searching for. Have a hap-hap-happy day!!
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There are at least 17 lawsuits (!!) pending in various courts, including the US Supreme Court, asking if Obama is a natural born citizen (as req'd by Art II, Sec 1 of the US Constitution).

Why has he spent over $1.35M in legal fees to block disclosure... rather than spend $12 for a VALID birth cert to settle the matter? The 'certificate' he has presented doesn't qualify to get a drivers license, wouldn't allow a child to qualify for Little League, or for a real citizen to get a US passport!
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Old 01-05-2006, 02:30 PM
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Neither of the persons you 'thanked' actually gave you any legal advice.... they just gave you sympathy.
That's because real legal advise must sound like:

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That depends on what defense(s) you have available. They could range from:
- "My wife was giving birth and I was on the way to the hospital"
to
- "Wasn't me. I am deceased."
Whoever runs this site maybe should change the name to freebashing.com.

In the mean time zmonster, do what you can to defend yourself and get a not guilty. At the very least get it knocked down if what you are saying happened is what happened.
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:28 PM
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That's because real legal advise must sound like
Yep. With the very limited information provided by the poster.... and the LACK of any defense, even a feeble one, that IS legally accurate ADVICE (the correct spelling).

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Whoever runs this site maybe should change the name to freebashing.com.
Why?? Where is the 'bashing' in this thread... except to your inane drivel post.

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In the mean time zmonster, do what you can to defend yourself and get a not guilty.
Wow!! That is incredibly accurate legal ADVICE you are handing out there!! Whew, bet the OP was just waiting on the edge of his seat for that one!!

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At the very least get it knocked down if what you are saying happened is what happened.
With all your legal experience... could you offer ANY thoughts on how that might be possible???
Or what evidence the OP could offer to induce the prosecutor to "knock down" the existing charge??
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There are at least 17 lawsuits (!!) pending in various courts, including the US Supreme Court, asking if Obama is a natural born citizen (as req'd by Art II, Sec 1 of the US Constitution).

Why has he spent over $1.35M in legal fees to block disclosure... rather than spend $12 for a VALID birth cert to settle the matter? The 'certificate' he has presented doesn't qualify to get a drivers license, wouldn't allow a child to qualify for Little League, or for a real citizen to get a US passport!
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:46 PM
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Yes my "legal experience" has managed to get me a few not guilties and a "knock down", but that really doesn't matter since the high and mighty (or the low and lacking) has spoken.

Good luck zmonster, both in getting a good outcome in court and getting any real "ADVICE" on this site.
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:14 PM
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Yes my "legal experience" has managed to get me a few not guilties and a "knock down", but that really doesn't matter since the high and mighty (or the low and lacking) has spoken.
So, I guess your 'legal experience' never taught you that these are NOT 'not guilty' verdicts but are 'dismissals'.??
And your 'experience' never taught you that these are NOT 'knock downs', but are 'reductions'??
Guess you need some more 'experience'.
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There are at least 17 lawsuits (!!) pending in various courts, including the US Supreme Court, asking if Obama is a natural born citizen (as req'd by Art II, Sec 1 of the US Constitution).

Why has he spent over $1.35M in legal fees to block disclosure... rather than spend $12 for a VALID birth cert to settle the matter? The 'certificate' he has presented doesn't qualify to get a drivers license, wouldn't allow a child to qualify for Little League, or for a real citizen to get a US passport!
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:13 PM
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This is an update on my case. The cop said his story, I said my story, I created reasonable doubt, and the judge found me not guilty. This is for you "Mr. Know it All", Jetx, there is such a verdict as " not guilty ", and I got it today. Thanks a lot anyway.
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:47 PM
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Way to go, zmonster, congratulations. Never mind Mr. Jetty, he's lost it long time ago...
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Old 01-12-2006, 11:09 PM
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Hmmmm... wanna' bet the judge said 'case dismissed' or 'charges dismissed'', and did NOT say.... "Not Guilty"?
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There are at least 17 lawsuits (!!) pending in various courts, including the US Supreme Court, asking if Obama is a natural born citizen (as req'd by Art II, Sec 1 of the US Constitution).

Why has he spent over $1.35M in legal fees to block disclosure... rather than spend $12 for a VALID birth cert to settle the matter? The 'certificate' he has presented doesn't qualify to get a drivers license, wouldn't allow a child to qualify for Little League, or for a real citizen to get a US passport!
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