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Old 03-18-2009, 02:15 PM
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Trapped by sign change?


What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington
I recently recieved a speeding ticket in a school zone and need some advice on how to beat it. I believe the ticket was actually entrapment as the sign was changed only two days before I was ticketed. This 3 piece sign has a small rectangle at the bottom which initially stated "When children are present". This was the only part changed and now reads "From 7 am to 4pm". This sign is also on a corner and is signigicantly block by other signs and trees so the total amount of time available to view as you approach is less the 4 seconds. Is there a valid defense for entrampment here? How about non conformity to regulations regarding signage? Any other suggestions for defense? Thanks in advance.

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Old 03-18-2009, 04:10 PM
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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington
I recently recieved a speeding ticket in a school zone and need some advice on how to beat it. I believe the ticket was actually entrapment as the sign was changed only two days before I was ticketed. This 3 piece sign has a small rectangle at the bottom which initially stated "When children are present". This was the only part changed and now reads "From 7 am to 4pm". This sign is also on a corner and is signigicantly block by other signs and trees so the total amount of time available to view as you approach is less the 4 seconds. Is there a valid defense for entrampment here? How about non conformity to regulations regarding signage? Any other suggestions for defense? Thanks in advance.
**A: no entrapment. Come up with some other valid and plausible reasons.
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:16 PM
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I recently recieved a speeding ticket in a school zone and need some advice on how to beat it.
What is the speed limit, how fast where you going, what speed were you cited for and what statute are you charged of violating?

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the sign was changed only two days before I was ticketed.
How did you know it was changed two days before you were cited and more importantly, if you knew it was changed two days before you were cited why did you not comply with what it says?

Who is responsible for changing signs? the City, the County? ... Do you know?

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This sign is also on a corner and is signigicantly block by other signs and trees so the total amount of time available to view as you approach is less the 4 seconds.
Well, take a picture or record a video to take with you to court for when you fight it. If you choose to fight it. It will help you quite a bit...


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Is there a valid defense for entrampment here?
You would probably have a heck of a time trying to prove that the sign was changed to trap people into speeding violations in a school zone.

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How about non conformity to regulations regarding signage?
What is the regulation that signage must conform to? You probbably don't know so to assume that it does not comply is as bad a guess you suggesting entrapement.

To check if a specific sign does in fact meet regulation you would have to check the MUTCD (Manual on Uniform Traffic Conrol Devices) used by your state. I did a search but this here: [url]http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2003r1/Ch7.pdf[/url] is the 2003 version and have not been able to find a more recent version... You might want to search some more...

if you are unable to find a newer one, check out page 7B-4, and you will find all the info you need as far as signing. It might also dispell any wild theories you might have suggestig entrapment in that it should describe the process of changing a sign from one type to another.
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:27 PM
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[quote=trappdbychange;2207658]What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington
I recently recieved a speeding ticket in a school zone and need some advice on how to beat it.


**A: "Your Honor, I swear I was not driving to school"
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