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KTI

Junior Member
I am a Software Engineer who is professionally employed, but I do work on the side. Most things I do are small time, but I have a few projects that "if" I ever complete, I will potentially be able to market it them respectfully. I have long had a company name and website, but nothing has ever been official. I didn't want to legally register my company as the corporation it should be, unless I had a product that may yield potential income. Since I have never sold anything under the name, I haven't had any concerns. However, I am willing to make the leap and legally incorporate. This brings me to my point... I have a couple questions, that I assume get asked a lot, but I am looking for specific to my situation answers.

My questions are as follows:
1) If I incorporate, and my business (a separate legal entity) does not record any business transactions (i.e. recording neither a loss or gain, or recording neither a purchase or sale), am I required to do any filings with the IRS of any kind?
- Scenario: I incorporate using an online service (example: legal zoom), do nothing with my business outside of the responsibilities necessary to maintain incorporated status, and have no income of any kind for the first two years. In that two years, I do nothing tax related. In the third year, I make a sale for $10,000 and submit to the federal government the appropriate taxes and at the end of the year file accordingly. Can/will the IRS do anything about undocumented years prior to the current? Company history is a registration 3 years prior, so a 3 year legal status would be assumed, but only one filing. Is there a minimal filing that has to be made, or a form of any kind, that expresses zero (0) income for a year?

2) I wish to incorporate so that my company is a separate entity, but unless it grows, I will be the only member of the corporation. Meaning, the company profit is my personal profit. That being said, is it a better choice for me to obtain a "S corporation" status?
- Scenario: If under my company name I make a sale for $10,000... for ease of math for the example, I pay 20% to taxes. My company now has $8,000. This money I would consider to be my money, do I pay additional taxes on this when I issue a "paycheck" to obtain it as personal funds? What is the best way to to structure my company so that if I make a sale, that money is mine to spend on personal endeavors (i.e. mortgage, car, etc.), but taxes are only paid once on it?

These are my initial questions. I ask that if you respond, you have some sort of legal background or extensive knowledge of IRS procedures. Personal experience may not be the correct or legal way of doing things, and we are talking about a business decision here. Wrong advice could cost me, not you. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and/or reply to my questions.
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
I am a Software Engineer who is professionally employed, but I do work on the side. Most things I do are small time, but I have a few projects that "if" I ever complete, I will potentially be able to market it them respectfully. I have long had a company name and website, but nothing has ever been official. I didn't want to legally register my company as the corporation it should be, unless I had a product that may yield potential income. Since I have never sold anything under the name, I haven't had any concerns. However, I am willing to make the leap and legally incorporate. This brings me to my point... I have a couple questions, that I assume get asked a lot, but I am looking for specific to my situation answers.

My questions are as follows:
1) If I incorporate, and my business (a separate legal entity) does not record any business transactions (i.e. recording neither a loss or gain, or recording neither a purchase or sale), am I required to do any filings with the IRS of any kind?
- Scenario: I incorporate using an online service (example: legal zoom), do nothing with my business outside of the responsibilities necessary to maintain incorporated status, and have no income of any kind for the first two years. In that two years, I do nothing tax related. In the third year, I make a sale for $10,000 and submit to the federal government the appropriate taxes and at the end of the year file accordingly. Can/will the IRS do anything about undocumented years prior to the current? Company history is a registration 3 years prior, so a 3 year legal status would be assumed, but only one filing. Is there a minimal filing that has to be made, or a form of any kind, that expresses zero (0) income for a year?

2) I wish to incorporate so that my company is a separate entity, but unless it grows, I will be the only member of the corporation. Meaning, the company profit is my personal profit. That being said, is it a better choice for me to obtain a "S corporation" status?
- Scenario: If under my company name I make a sale for $10,000... for ease of math for the example, I pay 20% to taxes. My company now has $8,000. This money I would consider to be my money, do I pay additional taxes on this when I issue a "paycheck" to obtain it as personal funds? What is the best way to to structure my company so that if I make a sale, that money is mine to spend on personal endeavors (i.e. mortgage, car, etc.), but taxes are only paid once on it?

These are my initial questions. I ask that if you respond, you have some sort of legal background or extensive knowledge of IRS procedures. Personal experience may not be the correct or legal way of doing things, and we are talking about a business decision here. Wrong advice could cost me, not you. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and/or reply to my questions.
I would suggest that you search for a business & tax specialist to assist you in this matter. If wrong advice is going to cost you, then it's worth the time to pay for the right advice.

Good Day



PS: This site is for US law only - what is the name of your state?
 

Mass_Shyster

Senior Member
I ask that if you respond, you have some sort of legal background or extensive knowledge of IRS procedures. Personal experience may not be the correct or legal way of doing things, and we are talking about a business decision here. Wrong advice could cost me, not you. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and/or reply to my questions.
I'm guessing you didn't read the important notice at the bottom of the page you're looking at right now that includes
The FreeAdvice Forums are intended to enable consumers to benefit from the experience of other consumers who have faced similar legal issues.
 

KTI

Junior Member
I would suggest that you search for a business & tax specialist to assist you in this matter. If wrong advice is going to cost you, then it's worth the time to pay for the right advice.?
Zigner, I agree with you, I was just looking to test the water and better educate myself. Thanks for the suggestion.

Stevef, so that "important notice" (that you are correct, I didn't see as most people wouldn't), would instantly remove anyone with a legal background or extensive knowledge of IRS procedure? I'm not going to get into an argument over my choice of words, its semantics. You know as well as anyone else with half a brain, it was meant to deter "Joe Somebody" from giving some slapstick response "I've been doing it for years, it's perfectly legal." More so provoke an educated response. No forum would be complete without it's trolls looking to post whatever they can to up there count. Thanks for being you.
 

TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
Zigner, I agree with you, I was just looking to test the water and better educate myself. Thanks for the suggestion.

Stevef, so that "important notice" (that you are correct, I didn't see as most people wouldn't), would instantly remove anyone with a legal background or extensive knowledge of IRS procedure? I'm not going to get into an argument over my choice of words, its semantics. You know as well as anyone else with half a brain, it was meant to deter "Joe Somebody" from giving some slapstick response "I've been doing it for years, it's perfectly legal." More so provoke an educated response. No forum would be complete without it's trolls looking to post whatever they can to up there count. Thanks for being you.
Alrighty then. :cool:
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Zigner, I agree with you, I was just looking to test the water and better educate myself. Thanks for the suggestion.

Stevef, so that "important notice" (that you are correct, I didn't see as most people wouldn't), would instantly remove anyone with a legal background or extensive knowledge of IRS procedure? I'm not going to get into an argument over my choice of words, its semantics. You know as well as anyone else with half a brain, it was meant to deter "Joe Somebody" from giving some slapstick response "I've been doing it for years, it's perfectly legal." More so provoke an educated response. No forum would be complete without it's trolls looking to post whatever they can to up there count. Thanks for being you.
One is glad to be of service.
 

MobileTech

Junior Member
I am a Software Engineer who is professionally employed, but I do work on the side. Most things I do are small time, but I have a few projects that "if" I ever complete, I will potentially be able to market it them respectfully. I have long had a company name and website, but nothing has ever been official. I didn't want to legally register my company as the corporation it should be, unless I had a product that may yield potential income. Since I have never sold anything under the name, I haven't had any concerns. However, I am willing to make the leap and legally incorporate. This brings me to my point... I have a couple questions, that I assume get asked a lot, but I am looking for specific to my situation answers.

My questions are as follows:
1) If I incorporate, and my business (a separate legal entity) does not record any business transactions (i.e. recording neither a loss or gain, or recording neither a purchase or sale), am I required to do any filings with the IRS of any kind?

2) I wish to incorporate so that my company is a separate entity, but unless it grows, I will be the only member of the corporation. Meaning, the company profit is my personal profit.
It's bizarre, but I came here to ask almost these exact same questions today, for the same on-the-side, bootstrapped software developer scenario.

There's lots of info on the web about how to register an LLC (in AL in my case), but very difficult to find anything about the reporting responsibilities afterwards, particularly for a company that's going to have no income and negligible expenses for a fair amount of time. I'd welcome knowledgeable experience and pointers to any articles and documents addressing this situation.

Thanks!
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I am a Software Engineer who is professionally employed, but I do work on the side. Most things I do are small time, but I have a few projects that "if" I ever complete, I will potentially be able to market it them respectfully. I have long had a company name and website, but nothing has ever been official. I didn't want to legally register my company as the corporation it should be, unless I had a product that may yield potential income. Since I have never sold anything under the name, I haven't had any concerns. However, I am willing to make the leap and legally incorporate. This brings me to my point... I have a couple questions, that I assume get asked a lot, but I am looking for specific to my situation answers.

My questions are as follows:
1) If I incorporate, and my business (a separate legal entity) does not record any business transactions (i.e. recording neither a loss or gain, or recording neither a purchase or sale), am I required to do any filings with the IRS of any kind?
- Scenario: I incorporate using an online service (example: legal zoom), do nothing with my business outside of the responsibilities necessary to maintain incorporated status, and have no income of any kind for the first two years. In that two years, I do nothing tax related. In the third year, I make a sale for $10,000 and submit to the federal government the appropriate taxes and at the end of the year file accordingly. Can/will the IRS do anything about undocumented years prior to the current? Company history is a registration 3 years prior, so a 3 year legal status would be assumed, but only one filing. Is there a minimal filing that has to be made, or a form of any kind, that expresses zero (0) income for a year?

2) I wish to incorporate so that my company is a separate entity, but unless it grows, I will be the only member of the corporation. Meaning, the company profit is my personal profit. That being said, is it a better choice for me to obtain a "S corporation" status?
- Scenario: If under my company name I make a sale for $10,000... for ease of math for the example, I pay 20% to taxes. My company now has $8,000. This money I would consider to be my money, do I pay additional taxes on this when I issue a "paycheck" to obtain it as personal funds? What is the best way to to structure my company so that if I make a sale, that money is mine to spend on personal endeavors (i.e. mortgage, car, etc.), but taxes are only paid once on it?

These are my initial questions. I ask that if you respond, you have some sort of legal background or extensive knowledge of IRS procedures. Personal experience may not be the correct or legal way of doing things, and we are talking about a business decision here. Wrong advice could cost me, not you. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and/or reply to my questions.
I would also advise you to consult a local tax specialist. However, I can tell you that as long as you have proper liability insurance there is no reason why you could not operate as a sole proprietor until you have enough business that incorporating might be a good idea.
 

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