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[questionthority]

What is the name of your state? NJ
Under what authority can the state of NJ collect either a sales or income tax when it is in complete violation of federal law? Let me explain...
Title 18 USC § 8 and Title 12 USC § 411 both state that “Federal Reserve Notes are United States obligations”
18 U.S.C. § 8. Obligation or other security of the United States defined.
The term ''obligation or other security of the United States'' includes all bonds, certificates of indebtedness, national bank currency, Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes, coupons, United States notes, Treasury notes, gold certificates, silver certificates, fractional notes, certificates of deposit, bills, checks, or drafts for money, drawn by or upon authorized officers of the United States, stamps and other representatives of value, of whatever denomination, issued under any Act of Congress, and canceled United States stamps.
12 U.S.C. § 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption.
Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank
Now here is the fun part.

31 U.S.C. § 3124. Exemption from taxation
(a) Stocks and obligations of the United States Government are exempt from taxation by a State or political subdivision of a State. The exemption applies to each form of taxation that would require the obligation, the interest on the obligation, or both, to be considered in computing a tax, except -
(1) a nondiscriminatory franchise tax or another nonproperty tax instead of a franchise tax, imposed on a corporation; and
(2) an estate or inheritance tax.

How can the sales tax on an item be computed when the federal reserve note can't be used in the computation?
How can the income tax be applied when the income itself is not taxable nor can be used to compute the tax?????????????

[seniorjudge]

Originally Posted by questionthority

What is the name of your state? NJ
Under what authority can the state of NJ collect either a sales or income tax when it is in complete violation of federal law? Let me explain...
Title 18 USC § 8 and Title 12 USC § 411 both state that “Federal Reserve Notes are United States obligations”
18 U.S.C. § 8. Obligation or other security of the United States defined.
The term ''obligation or other security of the United States'' includes all bonds, certificates of indebtedness, national bank currency, Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes, coupons, United States notes, Treasury notes, gold certificates, silver certificates, fractional notes, certificates of deposit, bills, checks, or drafts for money, drawn by or upon authorized officers of the United States, stamps and other representatives of value, of whatever denomination, issued under any Act of Congress, and canceled United States stamps.
12 U.S.C. § 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption.
Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank
Now here is the fun part.

31 U.S.C. § 3124. Exemption from taxation
(a) Stocks and obligations of the United States Government are exempt from taxation by a State or political subdivision of a State. The exemption applies to each form of taxation that would require the obligation, the interest on the obligation, or both, to be considered in computing a tax, except -
(1) a nondiscriminatory franchise tax or another nonproperty tax instead of a franchise tax, imposed on a corporation; and
(2) an estate or inheritance tax.

How can the sales tax on an item be computed when the federal reserve note can't be used in the computation?
How can the income tax be applied when the income itself is not taxable nor can be used to compute the tax?????????????

Did you have a legal question for us?

[xylene]

Its time to take off,

the tin foil hat.

With money buy this.

With income earn that.

Your weak 'un-constitutional' tax protest argument

Is nothing but scat.

Why don't you take it

Up with the man.

They'll show you the authority

At the tax sale of your house.

Do it again

And with steel they'll bind hands.

When kindly you plead,

Asert with a gusto.

"Your honor:"

"Illegal I plead."

[questionthority]

Noticed you couldn't answer the question
I never said you could win in court
Just wanted to make the point our system is corrupt to the core

[averad]

Originally Posted by questionthority

Noticed you couldn't answer the question
I never said you could win in court
Just wanted to make the point our system is corrupt to the core

Its your turn to roll the d20 and move your mystical elf deeper into the haunted forest. However this is only until you dawn your tinfoil hat in your parents basement and post on your blog.

I think you need to write a book with Dan Brown (The Da Vinci Code) about the secrets of American laws.

[questionthority]

Yes, It's the last two questions in my original post
I have never gotten an intelligent responce that explains the legal paradox

[questionthority]

Originally Posted by averad

Its your turn to roll the d20 and move your mystical elf deeper into the haunted forest. However this is only until you dawn your tinfoil hat in your parents basement and post on your blog.

I think you need to write a book with Dan Brown (The Da Vinci Code) about the secrets of American laws.

I noticed that You can't answer the question either

[LdiJ]

Originally Posted by questionthority

What is the name of your state? NJ
Under what authority can the state of NJ collect either a sales or income tax when it is in complete violation of federal law? Let me explain...
Title 18 USC § 8 and Title 12 USC § 411 both state that “Federal Reserve Notes are United States obligations”
18 U.S.C. § 8. Obligation or other security of the United States defined.
The term ''obligation or other security of the United States'' includes all bonds, certificates of indebtedness, national bank currency, Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes, coupons, United States notes, Treasury notes, gold certificates, silver certificates, fractional notes, certificates of deposit, bills, checks, or drafts for money, drawn by or upon authorized officers of the United States, stamps and other representatives of value, of whatever denomination, issued under any Act of Congress, and canceled United States stamps.
12 U.S.C. § 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption.
Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank
Now here is the fun part.

31 U.S.C. § 3124. Exemption from taxation
(a) Stocks and obligations of the United States Government are exempt from taxation by a State or political subdivision of a State. The exemption applies to each form of taxation that would require the obligation, the interest on the obligation, or both, to be considered in computing a tax, except -
(1) a nondiscriminatory franchise tax or another nonproperty tax instead of a franchise tax, imposed on a corporation; and
(2) an estate or inheritance tax.

How can the sales tax on an item be computed when the federal reserve note can't be used in the computation?
How can the income tax be applied when the income itself is not taxable nor can be used to compute the tax?????????????

I think its time for you to take a class on constitutional law....and particularly to understand the difference between federal law and state law...and how the US constitution defines those differences.

This forum's purpose is to answer tax law questions.

[questionthority]

Originally Posted by LdiJ

I think its time for you to take a class on constitutional law....and particularly to understand the difference between federal law and state law...and how the US constitution defines those differences.

This forum's purpose is to answer tax law questions.

I know that federal law trumps state law
And the constituion is the supreme law
Now, how bout an answer?

[wonderingrover]

Originally Posted by questionthority

I know that federal law trumps state law
And the constituion is the supreme law
Now, how bout an answer?

Ok, I'll bite. Here's a quote directly from the Constitution:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.



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Based on this Amendment, unless you can provide an example of where the Constitution has delegated the power of collection of State sales tax to the United States, or where states have prohibited such power, then that power by definition is reserved to the state or or to the people. And, as you have so eloquently stated, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

[LdiJ]

Originally Posted by questionthority

I know that federal law trumps state law
And the constituion is the supreme law
Now, how bout an answer?

Federal law does not trump state law in all areas of law...PER the US constitution. Federal law has no involvement in state tax laws. The state has total control there.

[questionthority]

Originally Posted by wonderingrover

Ok, I'll bite. Here's a quote directly from the Constitution:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.



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Based on this Amendment, unless you can provide an example of where the Constitution has delegated the power of collection of State sales tax to the United States, or where states have prohibited such power, then that power by definition is reserved to the state or or to the people. And, as you have so eloquently stated, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Of course the state can collect taxes.
However federal law has prohibited the state from collecting obligations of the united states.
There are only two forms of legal tender in the U.S. - gold & silver under the Constitution, and Federal Reserve notes under the Federal Reserve Act of Congress (1913). If you were not paid in gold & silver, then you were paid in Federal Reserve notes- obligations of the United States. So how can your State tax those Federal obligations (notes) when federal law prohibits it?

[questionthority]

Originally Posted by LdiJ

Federal law does not trump state law in all areas of law...PER the US constitution. Federal law has no involvement in state tax laws. The state has total control there.

If the federal government can can prohibit the states from taxing obligations of the United States, then the federal government DOES have involvementin state tax laws.
As does the constitution which states that the states can only make gold and silver a tender in the payment of debt. Now, the fed can make sand a tender in payment of debt but if the sand is an obligation of the united states then the states can not tax it, as per
"31 U.S.C. § 3124. Exemption from taxation
(a) Stocks and obligations of the United States Government are exempt from taxation by a State or political subdivision of a State. The exemption applies to each form of taxation that would require the obligation, the interest on the obligation, or both, to be considered in computing a tax"
Of course the state can collect taxes.
However federal law has prohibited the state from collecting obligations of the united states.
There are only two forms of legal tender in the U.S. - gold & silver under the Constitution, and Federal Reserve notes under the Federal Reserve Act of Congress (1913). If you were not paid in gold & silver, then you were paid in Federal Reserve notes- obligations of the United States. So how can your State tax those Federal obligations (notes) when federal law prohibits it?

[anteater]

Originally Posted by questionthority

If the federal government can can prohibit the states from taxing obligations of the United States, then the federal government DOES have involvementin state tax laws.
As does the constitution which states that the states can only make gold and silver a tender in the payment of debt. Now, the fed can make sand a tender in payment of debt but if the sand is an obligation of the united states then the states can not tax it, as per
"31 U.S.C. § 3124. Exemption from taxation
(a) Stocks and obligations of the United States Government are exempt from taxation by a State or political subdivision of a State. The exemption applies to each form of taxation that would require the obligation, the interest on the obligation, or both, to be considered in computing a tax"
Of course the state can collect taxes.
However federal law has prohibited the state from collecting obligations of the united states.
There are only two forms of legal tender in the U.S. - gold & silver under the Constitution, and Federal Reserve notes under the Federal Reserve Act of Congress (1913). If you were not paid in gold & silver, then you were paid in Federal Reserve notes- obligations of the United States. So how can your State tax those Federal obligations (notes) when federal law prohibits it?

Alright, the state is not levying a tax on the notes... or the gold.... or the silver.... or whatever other commodity that idiots like you would prefer. The state is levying a tax on the transaction. If you want to try to pay the state sales tax on your next purchase of sniffin' glue with moondust, feel free to try.

[questionthority]

Originally Posted by anteater

Alright, the state is not levying a tax on the notes... or the gold.... or the silver.... or whatever other commodity that idiots like you would prefer. The state is levying a tax on the transaction. If you want to try to pay the state sales tax on your next purchase of sniffin' glue with moondust, feel free to try.

Listen you jackass, the exemption applies to each form of taxation that would require the obligation, the interest on the obligation, or both, to be considered in computing a tax,
How can the state compute a sales tax based on the price which is priced based on federal reserve notes which can't be used to compute the tax?
and since income is in the form of federal reserve notes which can't be taxed or used in the computation of a tax how can the state tax income?
Now lets go further, suppose I get paid in silver coin.
How can the state tax my income at the value of the silver in relation to federal reserve notes when the silver coin has a face value of 1 dollar per coin which is legal tender and Lawful money.
I can certainly use the dollar silver coin to pay a dollar of tax instead of federal reserve notes and it will be excepted at face value and ONLY at face value.
Again I'm not saying you can use this argument in court and win, but that has nothing to do with the truth of the matter, the state has the power, like if the mob asks you to pay for protection, you don't have to by law, but that doesn't mean that there won't be a consequence.
Try thinking outside the box and using your own intellect instead of what you have been brainwashed into believing.