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04-22-2006, 08:30 PM
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| | Is promoting a revolution illegal? -All United States-
I am wondering if plotting and or promoting a US overthrow of the government would be illegal and if so how. Lets hypothesize that the "plan" calls for "illegal acts" however there is nothing illegal during the planning stages except for what is proposed on paper and what you are publicly promoting. It seems that this would fall under freedom of speech. Would this sort of planning and public promotion of a government overthrow be illegal | 
04-22-2006, 09:32 PM
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| | | Uhm.... it's called DEMOCRACY? If you overthrow a government and put yourself "in power" - has the majority of the eligible voters in the US voted specifically for that?? Of course not. If you don't like the current gov, wait til next election and form your own party... | 
04-22-2006, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MagnumOpus -All United States-
I am wondering if plotting and or promoting a US overthrow of the government would be illegal and if so how. Lets hypothesize that the "plan" calls for "illegal acts" however there is nothing illegal during the planning stages except for what is proposed on paper and what you are publicly promoting. It seems that this would fall under freedom of speech. Would this sort of planning and public promotion of a government overthrow be illegal | This post is the reason we have enemas in this country. 
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04-22-2006, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MagnumOpus -All United States-
I am wondering if plotting and or promoting a US overthrow of the government would be illegal and if so how. Lets hypothesize that the "plan" calls for "illegal acts" however there is nothing illegal during the planning stages except for what is proposed on paper and what you are publicly promoting. It seems that this would fall under freedom of speech. Would this sort of planning and public promotion of a government overthrow be illegal |
My response:
Read this: [url]http://www.usahistory.com/essays/essay009.htm[/url]
Also, could you please focus, specifically, on Bush?
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04-22-2006, 11:21 PM
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| | | Okay... Treason law:
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them"
The question I have is for who can define "levy" as it is used here? Would conspiring, threatening or speaking of a revolution be considered "levying" (SPEECH)?
Or could "levying" only be defined as the physical violent act of a forceful overthrow (NON-SPEECH)?
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04-23-2006, 12:12 AM
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| | | Bet the FBI would like to talk to the OP.
To the OP, what do think Bin Laden and all those other Muslim whackos have been trying to do? Give that man a cookie if he says bring down the US government. And guess what happened to McVey and Koresh and the other boneheads that thought they were above the laws of the US. Look up the definition of treason then read Title 18, Chapter 115 of the U.S. Code.
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04-23-2006, 03:00 PM
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| | Treason Law Racer72, perhaps you did not read my post, I am asking what is LEGAL, what can we as American Citizens say or not say, what can we promote or not promote, where is the boundary to FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Treason law:
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them"
The question I have is for who can define "levy" as it is used here? Would conspiring, threatening or speaking of a revolution be considered "levying" (SPEECH)?
Or could "levying" only be defined as the physical violent act of a forceful overthrow (NON-SPEECH)? | 
04-23-2006, 04:37 PM
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| | | [EMAIL="AskDOJ@usdoj.gov"]Ask here.[/EMAIL] I forwarded a link to this thread to them.
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04-23-2006, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by racer72 [EMAIL="AskDOJ@usdoj.gov"]Ask here.[/EMAIL] I forwarded a link to this thread to them. | Thank You, perhaps they could finally answer my question.
Though it may take a while with their current business hours of 9:30-4:00, oh and one hour lunch breaks, oh and federal holidays figured into that, oh and three weeks vacation, and well you get the point, this may be a while... | |
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