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Old 05-09-2006, 12:37 PM
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Sovereignty, Myth or Reality. Pseudolaw?


What is the name of your state? CA

I have an recent interesting friend who claims that through little known rights granted in the constitution, which he learned of the secrets from some wise old man, he is able to achieve what he calls sovereignty. Meaning is citizen of no where, but says he was born here so that makes him an American. This grants him certain rights so as not having to pay taxes (hasn_t paid in 2 years), register his car, insure his car etc. and that these rights will be upheld by the Supreme Court.

He wanted to set up a _pure trust_ for me as a form of asset protection, base on the claim the contract according to the constitution is higher than anything (code, etc.) except law. From what I_ve read on the internet the _pure trust_ is a scam. When I told that to him he said most people don_t know how to set it up correctly. When I asked him which Supreme Court case upheld this he stated there were many but could only name Hale vs. Henkel.

He also claims to be able to get out of any mortgage.

This was another post I put up regarding the same individual.
<<<Contracts Cannot Violate Law but Can Code, True of False?
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What is the name of your state? CA

I just went through a nightmare situation with trying to evict a caretaker from my 5 acre property and went through the whole legal process which ended up cost me over $2000. not to mention everything they stole from me of which I will never be able to recover. I need to find another caretaker as I am trying to complete my move and am trying to prevent more vandalism and theft. This time my friend told me I can draw up a occupancy statement contract saying that I give permission for this person to stay on my property but that permission can be taken away at anytime and they will have to leave immediately with no court proceeding, thus bypassing the whole hassle of the eviction process. My friend claims that contracts cannot violate the law but the California eviction process is California code not law and thus the contract is higher than code and would be upheld in a court of law. Is this true? He also stated you can add things like all your processions will be forfeited to me if they violate the contract. He claims that anything you put in the contract they agree to will be upheld in court. My friend said not the call them a caretaker just occupant.

The previous caretakers started stealing my electricity and not paying for it and legally I was advised that I couldn't even disconnect the power so in the end I paid for over $500 worth of their electricity. This time I thought to save problems I would put the electricity in the caretaker_s name. My friend said not to do this as it would give them more rights.

I also thought about trying to rent it as an RV spot with water, septic and electric hook ups? Would I be able to use a contract to avoid the eviction procedure in this situation?

Please help, I want to try to minimize the possibility of another nightmare like the one that just happened, yet I don't want to do anything illegal. Thank You so much for your help. >>>
Regarding these people I evicted he says to put a UCC lien on them, which he then says using his _process_ he can multiple the lien amount x 4 after 90 days and than x 200 after 6 months. He says he _process_ is based on Supreme Court case precedents, though he couldn_t name any cases off hand, and would be upheld in the Supreme Court. He keeps asking me for my credit card # to file the UCC lien.

Just about every time I meet him, he tells me he is in trouble and is about to lose some property to foreclosure or has a deadline to pay storage fees, etc. and needs x amount ($500 - $5000) of dollars which he wants to borrow from me.

He claims he has millions in assets including 87 properties, but no cash on hand and he can_t sell his properties because he is tried up in a lawsuit with his brother.

He seems like a nice enough guy and he is always telling stories from the bible, but I have been leery to trust him or give him any money, base on the too good to be true principle. Is he practicing pseudolaw or is he genuine? Genius, Con artist, or just delusioned?

Last edited by TaoWanderer; 05-09-2006 at 01:20 PM.
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:01 PM
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Wow - get a real lawyer to handle your situation with past tenants and set up the most favorable legal situation for your future caretakers.

Your friend has a delusional disorder.

"Soverignity" is a dangerous myth that sucks in people with delusional disorders. At the end of the day there is nothing to it but a lot of circular logic, questionable and self referencing evidence, and a universal appeal to avoid taxes. Lots of people with little income avoid paying taxes. That doesn't make them sovereign.

I would urge you to leave the subject alone with your friend. Delusional types can become agressive, unpredictable, violent and even venegeful in the face of strong evidence against their delusion.

Never give anyone your credit card number unless they are a legitimate business.


Your friend is probably not out to actively "scam" you - however what he is doing is not real, and could cause you much trouble and expense. Something delusional people spend alot of time doing is getting others to believe, or at least acknowledge their false belief. Don't find yourself walking that path.

Last edited by xylene; 05-09-2006 at 01:04 PM.
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:50 PM
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My response:

I take the opposite view to this matter. If your friend is sovereign, Chinese (or if you're Chinese), and he belongs to the the Church of Scientology, you should immediately give him everything you have. It'll make him happy. You want him happy, don't you?

IAAL
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Old 05-31-2006, 12:44 AM
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Con artist - run away.
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