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Woman kicked out of an American Legion Meeting?

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Starrz

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What is the name of your state? Hawaii - Big Island

I went to a local American Legion meeting with a Service Connected Disabled Veteran, when it came time for the meeting to begin, they wanted me to leave because I am a woman, it was clearly stated that I was there to help the Disabled Veteran, and it was also clearly stated, that they did not want a WOMAN in that meeting. They wouldnt even start the meeting untill I left. They offered to let the Male Veteran Stay, but he respects me more than that, and left with me.
Not one person stood up in our defense.

What should we do?

Thanks!
 


I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

And, no one should have stood up for your "defense."

This type of perceived "discrimination" has already been fought all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Admittedly, you weren't there for any purpose other than to escort a male into the meeting. Your "purpose" had nothing to do with the American Legion.

IAAL
 
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Starrz

Guest
Thats just not so

There was nothing percieved about the discrimination. It was clearly stated that I had to leave because I was a woman.

I was there to help present his case that he needs help with, and as a representitive of Veterans Help Network, of which I am the Director of Operations.

Over the past 8 years I have been to several other "Veteran's Assoications" (ie. Am Vets, Vietnam Veterans of America, Disabled American Veterans) meetings in the past, as his representive, and as a volenteer, but nothing like this has ever come up before.

It's not right to blatently exclude someone from a meeting of people because of their sex. Especially when the group is a group that consists of both men and women Veterans. If it's already been fought all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, then they missed something somewhere!!


J. Miller
Director of Operations
Veteran's Help Network
http://www.veteranshelp.com
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

I just LOVE how some people leave out "facts" and then, when you answer them, all of a sudden they roll out all of their "accolades," and "medals".

Let's take your "facts" concerning "other organizations" and your "signature line" as two examples.

But, one thing is glaringly clear. Never once did you mention that YOU were a veteran.

Ma'am, the simple fact is that the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that those who do not have, or who will not glean, a "business advantage", or certainly a "veteran advantage", by attending, are properly excluded from such organizations. You are NOT being disproportionately disadvantaged by your uninvited attendance. "Social advantages" were strictly excluded from this type of "discrimination." If you were losing out on a "business advantage", then you might have an argument.

But, the fact remains, you were doing something for YOU, due to your philanthropy - - which had NOTHING to do with a general loss of "business advantage", and has NOTHING to do with the purpose of the American Legion specifically.

Your argument is specious, at best. If your friend wants to attend, I'm sure a "proper" person, and member, of the Legion would be more than willing to escort your friend.

They make the rules. Not you, and certainly, not your friend.

IAAL
 
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Starrz

Guest
Anyone else have something to say?

If I recall from my first post, I had but one question.
It was : What should we do?

You answer me with a bunch of BS, that didnt answer anything, so I clairfy the situation, just so you might understand a little bit better our situation, so I can figure out how to stop this from happening to some other woman who happens to care about our Veterans. I dont appreciate your bashing me for it.
For one thing, my position pays nothing, and I donate countless hours doing countless tasks to HELP people. No, I am not a Veteran. My Father is a Veteran, and many others in my family have been in the service and even died for our counrty, now my son is about to join. I know that with out Veterans I would not live in a country with the freedoms that we have, so I do what I can to give back to those that DID give their lives so that WE can have the freedoms that we have.

For another thing you obviously do not know anything about the American Legion and how it is SUPPOSED to run or you would not have made such lame remarks.

If you dont have anything constructive to add or help to give to people, then why do you waste their time with your nastiness? Dont you have anything better to do? No need to answer that...

In your last post you did finally get around to recommending that a "member" take my friend to a meeting. You should have said a MALE member because they dont allow females in their meetings, as I was told, by some of their members, which is WRONG for that particular organization!

I just want to know what we should do, I dont need any nonsense answers. Does anyone else have any constructive advice for me?
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

I am truly sorry that you feel my responses to you were nonsense. That's only because, I'm sure, you either don't understand the reasoning of the U.S. Supreme Court, or you don't care to understand - - in other words, you want what you want when you want it, and the Court be damned!

I guess I just should have made something up that would have told you what you wanted to read. Gee, I'm truly sorry I didn't placate you, and allow you my shoulder to cry upon.

That would have done you some good, right?

Okay, I'll answer your question. Go hire an attorney to fight the same battle that was lost by one of your feminist sisters about 10 years, or so, ago.

Hey, it's your money!

IAAL
 

atozcom

Member
The first amenment also guarantees you a right not to establishment of religion, not to speak, not to assemble. This mean the right not to assemble with anyone you don't want to assemble with.

Think about it this way:

You can speak whatever you want , but I don't have to listen.

You cannot make me to joint your group to assemble with you. This also mean you cannot make a group to joint you and assemble with you. By forcing youself into a group is to force a group to joint you and assemble with you.
 

JETX

Senior Member
Starzz: Your own posts show your contradiction.... and your attempt to spin this to your advantage.

In your first post, you said, "they wanted me to leave because I am a woman", implying that your gender was the reason for leaving. You even titled this thread as "Woman kicked out of an American Legion Meeting?"
Obviously, you hoped that this would create some feminist uprising about how it was unfair.

Then, your later post says, "Especially when the group is a group that consists of both men and women Veterans".
Clearly, you can't have it both ways.... to be excluded from a group that allows women VETERANS. And just as clearly, THAT is the criteria that judged your removal.... you are NOT a veteran.

The American Veterans have a very simple criteria for membership.... and it says nothing about gender:
"Membership eligibility in The American Legion is based on honorable federal active duty service with the U.S. Armed Forces between the following dates:
- April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918 (World War I)
- December 7, 1941 to December 31, 1946 (World War II)
- June 25, 1950 to January 31, 1955 (Korean War)
- February 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (Vietnam War)
- August 24, 1982 to July 31, 1984 (Lebanon/Grenada)
- December 20, 1989 to January 31, 1990 (Operation Just Cause - Panama)
- August 2, 1990 to today (Operation Desert Shield/Storm)

Clearly, as a NON-VETERAN, they were within their rights to exclude you from attending THEIR meeting. And this had nothing to do with your gender as you tried to claim.

So, lets answer your question:
"What should we do?"
*** Answer: First, quit trying to 'spin' your post by mis-stating the facts. Second, quit trying to force your way into places where you are not welcome. Third, accept the fact that though you very probably do great work on behalf of veterans, you aren't one. Fourth, you could certainly try to get special WRITTEN permission for granted rights to the local veteran organizations due to your volunteerism.... but you don't have the right to demand it.

Have a good day....
 
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I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
Re: www.gulfwarvets.com

pamela vandi said:
Starrz: Contact www.gulfwarvets.com. Please post their response here. Also see this link, "Who died and made you President?"

http://www.beanmag.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3

My response:

Pamela, please enlighten all of us by informing what these links have to do with our writer's situation?

Please give us the "sub-links" on those sites where one might look for information about our writer's questions.

As usual, you point to things that are so far afield, or without specificity, that you wind up sending people on wild goose chases.

Be specific about what it is, in relation to our writer's problems, that she is to look at on those sites. There are myriad of buttons, and other useless information. Causing her, and us, to wade through the chaff is of no value, and a waste of time.

Be specific!

IAAL
 
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pamela vandi

Guest
www.bartcop.com

Starrz: Another site of interest is www.bartcop.com. I suggest that you send your story to Bartcop's website by e-mailing him at [email protected]. It would expose the American Legion to the publicity it deserves if Bartcop were to print your story on his website.
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

Of course, none of us really expect you to respond, Pamela. By looking at those sites, it's highly doubtful that EVEN YOU know why you pointed our writer (and the rest of us) to those sites.

Just another "garbage" and "nonsense" response by Pamela.

IAAL
 
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pamela vandi

Guest
Starrz is the judge here

Starrz, whose thread you tread, is the judge here. She has already rendered her verdict against "i am always loaded:"

iaal is guilty of "B.S." and "nonsense."
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
Re: Starrz is the judge here

pamela vandi said:
Starrz, whose thread you tread, is the judge here. She has already rendered her verdict against "i am always loaded:"

iaal is guilty of "B.S." and "nonsense."

My response:

Well, let's see. I gave our writer the perspective of the United States Supreme Court on this issue, and despite that fact, my responses are of no value. Okay. Fine by me. I guess the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't matter - - what matters is only what YOU want. Okay. Fine by me too.

But, looking at Pamela's above response, it appears that Pamela is just a nutbag.

"Starrz, whose thread you tread, is the judge here." Oh, absolutely. That sentence makes a lot of sense. What the hell were you trying to say?

You'll notice that good ol' Pamela will not justify or explain her responses to you, and will make you "click" all around those sites - - only to find nothing of use, or value. Way to go, Pamela!

Oh, and why didn't you tell our writer, dear Pamela, to write to the "John Walsh" television show? How come? You tell everyone else about John Walsh. Why not our writer?

IAAL
 

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