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A and B shares of an AB trust

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boostm3

Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NY

My dad passed away a couple of years ago.. He had a standard Bypass (AB) trust in effect, and I became the trustee of this trust upon his death. The trust was funded with assets designated such that the full amount of the estate tax exclusion comprised what was labeled the 'B' share, and the balance which was considerably less was held in the 'A' share.

The amount in the 'B' share was determined by the size of the estate tax exclusion in effect when the trusts were funded. Next year, of course, this $2 mil exclusion amount climbs to $3.5 mil, and in 2010, it is unlimited.. Thereafter, we have no idea what the exclusion amount will be, although, as currently stated, it reverts back to 2002-03 levels of $1 mil.

My question is this.. Lets say there is a $3 mil exclusion in effect when mom dies and when the entire estate gets settled.. Lets say the amount in Dad's trust is $3 mil, but because the estate tax exclusion was $2 mil when the assets were divided, the 'B' share has $2 mil and the 'A' share has $1 mil. According to the trust document, it appears that, at mom's death, whats in dad's share 'A' gets co mingled with mom's assets, and the sum of them both will be subject to the estate tax in effect at the time of mom's death on the entire amount; only whats in Dad's Share 'B' is sheltered from the estate tax.. So, even though the estate tax exclusion might be $3 mil at the time the surviving spouse, ie, mom dies, the only portion of Dad's Trust which is sheltered from taxes is not the entire contents of the trust, but only whats been designated as 'Share B' when the trust was set up.

Ironically, it would appear that, under these circumstances, we all would have been better off had no trusts been created at all! Does this seem to comport with your understanding of how these trusts work? Or, are these workings of the 'A' and the 'B' portions of these trusts individual to each trust and not standard enough to comment on? thanks.
 


tranquility

Senior Member
The B share has already passed and is irrevocable. It is not in mom's estate when she dies. Even though she gets the benefits from it, she doesn't "own" it.
 

boostm3

Member
The B share has already passed and is irrevocable. It is not in mom's estate when she dies. Even though she gets the benefits from it, she doesn't "own" it.
I know this.. I said it was the 'A' share, also known as the 'Marital Share' which gets added to Mom's estate, and the estate tax on that total amount gets figured after the estate tax exclusion is applied to that.. Dad's 'B' share is the one thats irrevocable, ie, cannot be added to or subtracted from .. It is what it is. There is no way of tying it to the constantly fluxuating amount of the estate tax deduction, which was kind of the point I was driving at.
 

TrustUser

Senior Member
i dont seem to understand what you are driving at ?

certainly, having no trusts at all is not preferable, since then you would be subject to probate.

but i dont see how having an ab trust has hurt you.

you were at least able to exclude a portion of it when your dad died.

could you please explain again why you think you would have been better off without trusts ?
 

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