Son graduated high school but not given diploma

[Silverplum]

For all of you cynics out there, the diploma is not free. The cost for the private school education was $60,000.

The EDUCATION cost $60K.

What does the piece of paper signaling completion of said education cost?

 

[RMJPhillip]

My understanding is that contract is between us and the school, as told to us by the school.

 

[Humusluvr]

My understanding is that contract is between us and the school, as told to us by the school.

I think you are making the argument that, since there is no final slip of paper, that your son has not GRADUATED.

That is not true. You would not send a college your son's actual diploma, you would order transcripts. Are you saying that the school is denying your son his graduation?

If it is the piece of paper you want, then you could only sue for about $.05

If they were denying the entire education, then $60K would come into play. That assuming your son would then have to go elsewhere to graduate.

Why do you care so much about a piece of paper? My high school graduation diploma is in a box somewhere. Along with my college diploma and Master's degree diploma. But I have a bad ass job and all the smarts that go with it.

 

[Ohiogal]

For all of you cynics out there, the diploma is not free. The cost for the private school education was $60,000.

That was for the education. They can't take that back. The diploma itself is free after completing the education. The point being -- he can get a transcript which is worth more than the diploma.

 

[Ohiogal]

I think you are making the argument that, since there is no final slip of paper, that your son has not GRADUATED.

That is not true. You would not send a college your son's actual diploma, you would order transcripts. Are you saying that the school is denying your son his graduation?

If it is the piece of paper you want, then you could only sue for about $.05

If they were denying the entire education, then $60K would come into play. That assuming your son would then have to go elsewhere to graduate.

Why do you care so much about a piece of paper? My high school graduation diploma is in a box somewhere. Along with my college diploma and Master's degree diploma. But I have a bad ass job and all the smarts that go with it.

MY JD is on a shelf somewhere in my office. Good luck finding it right away. And yet it wasn't worth much. Because until I passed the bar (and paid several hundreds more) I couldn't practice law. And I don't think I could find the piece of paper stating I passed the bar. But I have my bar number. And the Supreme Court has my licensed and registered.

 

[cyjeff]

Agreed.

while it is a big deal now... I am not exactly sure where my high school diploma is.

I think I used it to plug the hole in the floorboard of the GTO, but I may be wrong....

"You know you are a redneck if...."

 

[Ozark_Sophist]

Agreed.

while it is a big deal now... I am not exactly sure where my high school diploma is.

I think I used it to plug the hole in the floorboard of the GTO, but I may be wrong....

"You know you are a redneck if...."

... you used your fifth grade diploma to plug the hold in the floorboard of your car?

 

[Humusluvr]

... you used your fifth grade diploma to plug the hold in the floorboard of your car?

Do they GIVE fifth grade diplomas?

How cheesy. You should only get a diploma for high school and beyond.

 

[HomeGuru]

Do they GIVE fifth grade diplomas?

How cheesy. You should only get a diploma for high school and beyond.

**A: it was one of those redneck schools that only went up to 5th grade.
And that's junior college.

 

[my_wan]

I think you are making the argument that, since there is no final slip of paper, that your son has not GRADUATED.

That is not true. You would not send a college your son's actual diploma, you would order transcripts. Are you saying that the school is denying your son his graduation?

If it is the piece of paper you want, then you could only sue for about $.05

If they were denying the entire education, then $60K would come into play. That assuming your son would then have to go elsewhere to graduate.

Why do you care so much about a piece of paper? My high school graduation diploma is in a box somewhere. Along with my college diploma and Master's degree diploma. But I have a bad ass job and all the smarts that go with it.

BS. I think he/she has cause for a case no matter how minor. I seen no claim that it means he did not graduate. Just another inane statement putting words in the OPs mouth. I'll apologize for the Judge Judy fans here.

The fact is that diploma has value. Don't think so? Burn your babies pictures then!!!

People here need to grow up.

**A: it was one of those redneck schools that only went up to 5th grade.
And that's junior college.

That's what I was thinking about you. Look at your list of responses on this board and tell me your not a joke! Probably in 5th grade to boot..

 

[Humusluvr]

BS. I think he/she has cause for a case no matter how minor. I seen no claim that it means he did not graduate. Just another inane statement putting words in the OPs mouth. I'll apologize for the Judge Judy fans here.

What would the case be for, oh wise one?

The fact is that diploma has value. Don't think so? Burn your babies pictures then!!!

OP seems to think the diploma is worth $60K. Its not. Its worth a few cents at Kinkos.

People here need to grow up.

You need to learn something. AND grow up.

That's what I was thinking about you. Look at your list of responses on this board and tell me your not a joke! Probably in 5th grade to boot..

...right...

 

[my_wan]

What would the case be for, oh wise one?

Property. Defective property was received. Defective property was returned with the promise that the defect would be remedied. No property was returned, defective or otherwise. Even if you could get away with the silly argument that the physical diploma was not owed there is still the issue that they took the property, already in plaintiffs possession, and promised to remedy the defect. The property defect was never remedied, nor the property returned. The delivery of the original defective document is evidence that the document was owed as part of the original contract. The promise of remedy itself constitutes an admission of same, and constitutes a breach of contract on it's own. The verbal contract is tantamount to an admission that the physical diploma was part and parcel to the services paid for.

OP seems to think the diploma is worth $60K. Its not. Its worth a few cents at Kinkos.

BS. More words put in the OPs mouth.

For all of you cynics out there, the diploma is not free. The cost for the private school education was $60,000.

Bolding mine. Is it not a universal expectation that a physical diploma is supplied upon graduation? Was not this physical diploma supplied? Was there not a promise that the defect would be remedied and returned?

You need to learn something. AND grow up.

You sit in here in your little circle and and take turns jerking at anybody that comes by, repeatedly. It's often not without justification, yet the OP is rarely informed and often for nothing more than fun for the apparent regulars. You personally are far from the worse case. So tell me again who needs to grow up.

...right... [/QUOTE]

Yep, I know.

@OP
I would convey my intent to sue for the return of your property and breach of contract. If that didn't work I would get a lawyer to do the same. The fact is there's "probably" not much monetarily you can get, but you can make their cost of failure to comply far exceed their cost of compliance. If you take it to small claims it will cost you $30 bucks to claim up to $1500. If you go to court I would sue for the document itself rather the money. If you wanted to go overboard you could claim a value in excess of $7500 and skip small claims. You don't have to win the case, just force them to make a choice. Spend thousands or give you what is yours.
California Courts: Self-Help Center: Small Claims: Small Claims Basics

I would give them hell. The goal is to get the document, not to harass or go beyond what's necessary to get what is yours. If a few cents at Kinkos is all it takes, as the BSers here claim, then they have a really cheap way to get you off their back.

No, I'm not a lawyer!!!!

 

[Humusluvr]

BS. More words put in the OPs mouth. .....

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You sit in here in your little circle and and take turns jerking at anybody that comes by, repeatedly. It's often not without justification, yet the OP is rarely informed and often for nothing more than fun for the apparent regulars. You personally are far from the worse case. So tell me again who needs to grow up.

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I didn't put words in the OP's mouth, not for ONE SECOND. I asked questions. They have yet to answer.

Like why, instead of properly worded letters and calls, the OP seems to want to sue? Why? People are so quick to sue these days, hoping that a misspelled piece of paper is worth $60K - and its not.

We are allowed to DISCUSS what the OP wrote. all. day. long. That's part of the appeal of a forum. The discussion. That's why I'm here. I know the law, and I'm intelligent, and I can help people make intelligent decisions without suing. And, I'm allowed to poke fun. Again, part of the appeal of a forum.

 

[cyjeff]

**A: it was one of those redneck schools that only went up to 5th grade.
And that's junior college.

What do Alabama folks call someone with a fifth grade diploma?

Doctor.

 

[my_wan]

I didn't put words in the OP's mouth, not for ONE SECOND. I asked questions. They have yet to answer.

You first stated it:

I think you are making the argument that, since there is no final slip of paper, that your son has not GRADUATED.

Then you reframed it:

That is not true. You would not send a college your son's actual diploma, you would order transcripts. Are you saying that the school is denying your son his graduation?

Yet the statement: "That is not true", again points to your presumption that you are now representing as a question.

Like why, instead of properly worded letters and calls, the OP seems to want to sue? Why? People are so quick to sue these days, hoping that a misspelled piece of paper is worth $60K - and its not.

You refer to "properly worded letters" yet the OP clearly states:
"we returned the physical diploma"
"we were told the new one would be reissued in 3 to 4 weeks"
"now December 2008 and still not diploma"
"After repeated discussion and assurances"
"corrected diploma would be issued soon"
"school now suggests that we deal with the manufacturer to get the diploma"
"have been in contact with the manufacturer"

So what do you define as "properly worded letters"? "Repeated discussion and assurances" is not a letter but (s)he got repeated promises. Why do you think it is obvious that a letter is going to get a different result with whatever you might define as a "properly worded letters"? Does it sound like (s)he wasn't making calls?

You ask why? Well, look at what she has done up to this point to no effect. What do you think "properly worded" is supposed to be interpreted to mean?

We are allowed to DISCUSS what the OP wrote. all. day. long. That's part of the appeal of a forum. The discussion. That's why I'm here. I know the law, and I'm intelligent, and I can help people make intelligent decisions without suing. And, I'm allowed to poke fun. Again, part of the appeal of a forum.

Ok. I poke my own share of jesting fun at times. Yet you ignore the obvious efforts (s)he has made and use terms like:
"properly worded"
"seems to want to sue"
In fact (s)he didn't see any other option, after all those attempts, than to consider if it was actionable. I say it is, not for some lottery cash grab (that simply will not work), but to get their attention as needed to give the plaintiff what belongs to them. What could be simpler? The idea that its only worth $.05 is absurd. The gas or postage to return the thing was more than that! In fact if it was so simple why did they eventually try to shove the problem off on the manufacturer?

Your "properly worded letters" means zilch. I deal with those "properly worded letters" stating the obvious as if it's something really scary fairly regularly. What do you think the OP gets from that? Another thread asking help and getting "properly worded letters" as advice?

I do wish the lawyers I had to deal with would take your advice on a little moderation. I get 30 minutes work turned into several years! My respect for you personally stands much stronger than you may think. Yet my point stands. The OP still misses the implicit nature of your questions, therefore fails to recognize any valid question not estimated to already be answered. Given that as a definition of the situation how do you think your intent should be interpreted?