just a few questions regarding support

[Just Blue]

Baystate, Why is it you call anyone you don't agree with an idiot? And if there are really SEVERAL men in your building that are custodial parents, that is great! Because it doesn't happen, in MA and there is whole coalition of fathers who can tell you differently. You are making it up to make a point.

I call 'em as I see 'em! Your insistence that men are NEVER granted primary custody in Ma. is idiotic! The guy that lives below me is a CP...one of 3 in this bldg. Keep calling me a lier and see where that gets you.
There are "whole coalitions" of woman that are not getting child support from the fathers of their children...Should we presume that NO NCP FATHER IN MASS PAYS CHILD SUPPORT?

 

[CourtClerk]

I call 'em as I see 'em! Your insistence that men are NEVER granted primary custody in Ma. is idiotic! The guy that lives below me is a CP...one of 3 in this bldg. Keep calling me a lier and see where that gets you.
There are "whole coalitions" of woman that are not getting child support from the fathers of their children...Should we presume that NO NCP FATHER IN MASS PAYS CHILD SUPPORT?

Children, children...now now. Let me make this blanket statement so that Pat can shut up and we can go on with our lives...

If you want the presumption of joint custody of your children (present and future - no matter what sex you are)... GET MARRIED BEFORE YOU KNOCK SOMEONE UP/GET KNOCKED UP. Then no one has to worry about women always getting sole custody.

Pat: It's easy to get sole custody when there is only 1 legal parent you know....and since this world has decided that marriage before children isn't really a necessity, you get a lot of women in this world that have sole custody of children because for whatever the reason, men haven't gone to court to petition for joint.

For every statistic there is a counter statistic. Take that back to your father's rights coalition.

 

[cbg]

Women are automatically given sole custody of the children, no matter who's fault the separation is.

That'll be a surprise to my husband, who believe that he was given custody of his daughter. The daughter thinks her father was her custodial parent too. Funny enough, so does my husband's ex-wife.

But of course you know best. I wonder how all three of them got such an incorrect assumption?

 

[Pat88998899]

If you believe that, you're an idiot. Please show me where ANYWHERE on this board, EVER, I have posted that I have a grudge against my ex or men in general. Show me where I have been MORE sympathetic to mothers than fathers. Please, I'm dying to see it.
Ok, just look at all your posts in this thread. I am going by my experience with people in my state and with people who I have made a point to help and you know that what I am saying is not true. Based on what??? You make absolutely no sense. You are way out in the country in central USA, but you know more about what is going on in the courts in Massachusetts than I do. Right!


Please post the applicable statutes that show that there is NOT a presumption of joint-custody for MARRIED/DIVORCED parents in Mass. Other than in cases of abuse. LOL, that is a real good one! I will show this to some fathers, and they will have a great laugh!


Income guidelines apply. Who is at the top of the list for housing? Women with children.



Not anymore, but at one time, yes. I also have managed rental properties that accepted section 8 housing assistance vouchers - men lived there. Some with kids full-time, some only part-time, some not at all.



Ok. NONE of the people in the WORLD that share custody live in MA. I know of ONE father out of hundreds, whom it took 10 years to get joint custody, and only after the court found out for themselves that the wife had been lying about the husband being violent; the father claimed it was the other way around. Only after a lengthy trial where the mother had 5 lawyers paid for, by a domestic violence fund, and the father was pro se, did the father get joint custody, because his ex was caught in lie after lie. Then only after the children were beaten by the mother, and ran away threatening suicide, did he get sole custody. The 5 lawyers, dropped her like a hot potato. If it were the father who beat up the children, you know that the visitations with the children would be supervised, but they aren't for the mother. I am sure you will not get what I am saying!

Baystate, there are thousands of fathers who would love to know what county you are in, because if there really are several fathers who are CPs in your building, they would be happy that justice is going on in 1 county in Mass. But I am sure you just said that to back up your bull!


I'm far less concerned with being right than I am with you providing false information on a public forum where people come for assistance with very real problems.
And what false info have I provided? You are just lashing out with whatever sounds good.I can back up anything I say, .
I , and I know many fathers, who can give you example after example after example of idiotic cases in courts that show the bias I am talking about, who would love to be proven wrong.


And I AM right (of course you are, I now get that you are right about everything- this isn't about the truth with you, this is about being right!) that someone who pays more than 1/2 their income for rent IS living beyond their means. They may not see a way around it, but that doesn't make it a financially sound decision.

[B]It is not a decision period!

 

[Pat88998899]

I call 'em as I see 'em! Your insistence that men are NEVER granted primary custody in Ma. is idiotic! The guy that lives below me is a CP...one of 3 in this bldg. Keep calling me a lier and see where that gets you.
There are "whole coalitions" of woman that are not getting child support from the fathers of their children...Should we presume that NO NCP FATHER IN MASS PAYS CHILD SUPPORT?

And what county are you in?

 

[Pat88998899]

Children, children...now now. Let me make this blanket statement so that Pat can shut up and we can go on with our lives...

If you want the presumption of joint custody of your children (present and future - no matter what sex you are)... GET MARRIED BEFORE YOU KNOCK SOMEONE UP/GET KNOCKED UP. Then no one has to worry about women always getting sole custody.

Pat: It's easy to get sole custody when there is only 1 legal parent you know....and since this world has decided that marriage before children isn't really a necessity, you get a lot of women in this world that have sole custody of children because for whatever the reason, men haven't gone to court to petition for joint.

For every statistic there is a counter statistic. Take that back to your father's rights coalition.

Do you have a problem with fathers that you know nothing about. I hope you aren't really a court clerk!! Your true colors are showing!

I obviously don't know ALL the men in the coalition, but I do not know one that wasn't married to the mother, and I have no idea why you assumed that they weren't married!?? Who did I say was not married??

 

[CJane]

of course you are, I now get that you are right about everything- this isn't about the truth with you, this is about being right!

And yet, YOU are the one calling a senior contributor to this site - one who hails from the VERY STATE that you're talking about, who has posted contradictory information to YOU - hence proving that your blanket statements are FALSE, a liar.

And I'm obsessed with being right.

Uh huh.

 

[Pat88998899]

Women are automatically given sole custody of the children, no matter who's fault the separation is. You conveniently left off the rest of the sentence. I have made it real clear that I am talking for the most part, like 99 percent, IN MASSACHUSETTS. You know there is a reason you are supposed to name your state, which I noticed none of you do!!! .

That'll be a surprise to my husband, who believe that he was given custody of his daughter. The daughter thinks her father was her custodial parent too. Funny enough, so does my husband's ex-wife.

But of course you know best. I wonder how all three of them got such an incorrect assumption?

And you are in Massachusetts also? That's great, but I am sure you are not.

 

[CJane]

You edited out your question to me, asking me when you called someone a liar.

Here's the quote where you did.

Baystate, Why is it you call anyone you don't agree with an idiot? And if there are really SEVERAL men in your building that are custodial parents, that is great! Because it doesn't happen, in MA and there is whole coalition of fathers who can tell you differently. You are making it up to make a point.

Also, my location is in EVERY POST. Given the town I have listed, I could only possibly be in one of two states.

One is only required to post their state when ASKING A QUESTION to make sure that the statutes for THEIR LOCATION can be followed accurately in the advice given - something you can't even do when asked directly to do-so.

Since none of us are ASKING QUESTIONS, where we are is irrelevant.

 

[Pat88998899]

And yet, YOU are the one calling a senior contributor to this site - one who hails from the VERY STATE that you're talking about, who has posted contradictory information to YOU - hence proving that your blanket statements are FALSE, a liar.

And I'm obsessed with being right.

Uh huh.

Who is calling who a liar?
If you are talking about the one who frequently calls people idiots, I asked what county she is in - she won't answer, and if she did I could easily find out if what she claims is true.

I don't claim to know anything about any other state, and I find it really funny that you and a couple others pretend to know something about something you know nothing about!

 

[Just Blue]

And you are in Massachusetts also? That's great, but I am sure you are not.

Thats right...CBG has been erroneously posting that she is from Mass for years now, waiting for the day she could "pull the wool" over on you!!

BTW...I am in Worcester County...Not that it matters. Mass law is Mass law! Find the Mass Statutes or case law to back up what you are saying. If you can't, then go away!

 

[Pat88998899]

You edited out your question to me, asking me when you called someone a liar.

Here's the quote where you did.



Also, my location is in EVERY POST. Given the town I have listed, I could only possibly be in one of two states.

One is only required to post their state when ASKING A QUESTION to make sure that the statutes for THEIR LOCATION can be followed accurately in the advice given - something you can't even do when asked directly to do-so.

Since none of us are ASKING QUESTIONS, where we are is irrelevant.

Sorry to call you wrong again, but after a post is made, there is an automatic posting, "What state are you from" Why its impt is so that the person asking the question will know whether you are from the same state or elsewhere, where you probably don't know the laws of that person's state. Case in point; this whole thread!

 

[CourtClerk]

Do you have a problem with fathers that you know nothing about. I hope you aren't really a court clerk!! Your true colors are showing!

I obviously don't know ALL the men in the coalition, but I do not know one that wasn't married to the mother, and I have no idea why you assumed that they weren't married!?? Who did I say was not married??

Yes, I really am a court clerk...and darn proud of it, since I do my job very well, thank you.

Now, let's do a little lesson here about marriage and the presumption of joint custody. It is PRESUMED that when a child is born to married parents, then they both have equal rights to said child. When the child is born to out of wedlock parents...then the child legally (until a court of law says otherwise) belongs to the parent that birthed the child... the mother.

Now call me crazy, but I have never read a statute in any state in the union that says that mothers automatically receive sole custody of a child in a divorce. NEVER and as several have stated, if you can point to such a statute, I will too stand corrected, however, for YEARS I clerked in family court... have never seen such a thing so I would be really interested in seeing this. Perhaps OG can stop by and point me in the direction.

 

[CJane]

Sorry to call you wrong again, but after a post is made, there is an automatic posting, "What state are you from" Why its impt is so that the person asking the question will know whether you are from the same state or elsewhere, where you probably don't know the laws of that person's state. Case in point; this whole thread!

Oh. My. GAWD!

The "What state are you from" question appears ONLY WHEN STARTING A THREAD!!!! NOT for EVERY POST. BECAUSE it's only IMPORTANT for the people ANSWERING THE THREAD so they can give accurate ADVICE per STATUTE or CASE LAW.

YOU have been asked to provide statutory references for the absurd claims you're making and YOU have refused to do-so.

It is NOT required to BE in a state in order to understand the LAWS of that state. Obviously, the converse is also true.

YOU are violating the TOS of this site. Repeatedly. YOU need to pull your head out of your a$$ and try to contribute REAL INFORMATION rather than bitter rantings, or remove yourself.

 

[CJane]

YWhen the child is born to out of wedlock parents...then the child legally (until a court of law says otherwise) belongs to the parent that birthed the child... the mother.

Except in CT, where even unmarried couples are presumed to have joint custody.

The rest of it... it's all the fault of that pesky ol Constitution.