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GranSuz

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Texas. We (Grandparents) got Joint Custody (We have residing, she has visitation) of our Grandson. He was 6 mo. old, now 7 years. His Mother is in and out of prison for drugs. Suppose to pay $25.00 wk. Child Support. Hasn't paid. Hasn't seen our Grandson for 4 years and has had 3 more Babies. How can we get our Temporary Joint Custody modified to Permanant and have her Parental Rights Terminated without spending another $2500. to $5000. (or) Can we make a Will that would protect him from Her if something should happen to both of us? She has had 6 children and does not have any with her. She has not provided for any of them, except through Government Programs. We haven't seen or heard from her. Just get information from the other Grandparants. Our Son is his Father and is now active in his life. He wasn't at first, and we "Intervened" for Custody from both of them. They weren't married. Our Son would want to get him & take care of him if something should happen to us, but by law, could she get custody because she is still on our orders?
 
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GranSuz

Junior Member
We Have Raised Grandson for Almost 7 Years.

My Son sees and gets him anytime he wants to. He wasn't a good Father at first and We Intervened for Custody. He is really good to him now, but We have furnished the love, security, stability, necessities, entertainment, etc. basically since birth, when he had no Mother & Father to care for him. My Son knows he can work with us and be in his life, but he still hasn't showed the responsibility of caring and providing for his needs, to be able to get Custody. We would give Him joint custody. We just need to get the Mother off the paperwork. I feel My Son would step up and take care of him should something happen. He knows our Grandson's home has always been with us and he wouldn't do anything to upset his life. They are spending more & more time together.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
My Son sees and gets him anytime he wants to. He wasn't a good Father at first and We Intervened for Custody. He is really good to him now, but We have furnished the love, security, stability, necessities, entertainment, etc. basically since birth, when he had no Mother & Father to care for him. My Son knows he can work with us and be in his life, but he still hasn't showed the responsibility of caring and providing for his needs, to be able to get Custody. We would give Him joint custody. We just need to get the Mother off the paperwork. I feel My Son would step up and take care of him should something happen. He knows our Grandson's home has always been with us and he wouldn't do anything to upset his life. They are spending more & more time together.
YOu do realize that YOUR standards are not the standards the court would look at it and that your son has the constitutional right to parent HIS child? As for you GIVING him joint custody? Sorry but if you would give him joint custody then he should have full custody.
 

GranSuz

Junior Member
Mother Abandoned Issue

Actually, this is about getting the Mother off our court order as having Joint Custody. We did take it back to court and it was modified for her visitation to be monitored at set times. She had scared our Grandson so bad on his over night visits, (he was young and not talking well enough for anyone to understand, but he would cry and hang on to us, saying "not go pwese".) We didn't understand why, because at first he was alright with it. We found out month's later, after she went back to jail again, (from one of her old boyfriends) how she was treating the baby. My Grandson told us, his Mommy was mean, after he starting talking, and He has never forgot it. We Had to let him go with her, Court Ordered. We've always told him the truth. He knows who his Mother is and knows and loves his Daddy. My Son HAD custody, because the Mother went to prison for drugs for 18 months, but his Attorney didn't follow through on the paperwork and when She got out of jail (this is a very long complicated story, so I'm condensing) she was going back to court to get custody from my Son. We kept the baby most of the time (For the Best Interest Of The Child) because my Son was young, unmarried, starting a new Business (stressed and worked all time) and He came to our house to visit and get his son when he wanted to. She said He abandoned him because he didn't live with him. We Intervened (attorney's advice). This was only a way She used to try to control my Son. Her Man Friend, paid for all her expenses. Yes, My Son should have custody of his child and be a Parent. From the day he was born. BUT, He gave up his Constitutional Right to make decissions for him, 7 years ago. He wasn't visiting his Son and has never showed any responsibility (AND, I'm His Mother...I've tried making him understand the effects his actions could have, on his child.) He didn't show up for court and the court papers basically state, the father didn't show, so he is out. We changed our lives to make sure he knew love, & security. He goes and visits his Dad, but He wants to Come Home. The home he has always known. So why should a court disrupt his life and cause him stress because of STANDARDS. The courts, law makers, Judges, don't know what kind of effect their decissions can have on a little child. I Thank God We were there for this baby when no one else was. The courts do not get enough of the true facts, I realize, but they need to make more effort without causeing more extra expense on the people trying to provide for the child. A home study was ordered and $400.00 paid for by us. She went to jail before hers was done the first time (from my Son's custody) but my Son paid $400.00 and had his done along with the case worker coming to our house and visiting also. We told her to come anytime. That's how it shoud be. She told the Mother the day, time, and what to expect when she visited. Naturally, she was ready, with a clean house, etc. She presented a 15 page report to the court basically saying the baby was comfortable, adjusted and interacted with us. She said He didn't interact with his Mother at all, but did with her older Son, that she could tell by observation, that he was to attend to him during the visit. We've paid a lot of attorney's fees, court cost, lose of wages going to court, travel expenses, home studies etc. This is money that could be applied to the care of our Grandson. What can we do to finalize court orders and get her removed, in case something happened to both of us. My Son is not my issue at this time. We have not heard from her for 4 yrs.
 

Hot Topic

Senior Member
Like it or not, the court is going to make the final decision, not you. They don't care that you've spent x number of dollars on an attorney or court costs or that you've lost wages.

What I sense is that you want to be the parents. You want to get even with the mother and get her completely out of the boy's life. And you want your son around to act as big brother while you parent.
 

GranSuz

Junior Member
Your Sense's Are Wrong

Without giving a very lenghty explaination of all the things that have gone on in my Grandson's life, and "I am 60 years old" & I had 1 child. I did not want to have anymore children. I wanted to be a GrandParent, so, as us wanting to be the Parents...No...But We HAVE been "HIS PARENTS" for 7 years, because his REAL Parents were not there for him. We loved and cared for him & didn't want him ending up in Foster care. "HIS BEST INTEREST" was difinately what we have always been concerned about. He doesn't need a BIG BROTHER, he needs a Parent. If He decides he wants to live with his Dad, it will be HIS choice, (and it would be great) because He would feel secure and loved enough to do so. GET EVEN? GET EVEN about WHAT? Her being a drug addict, going to jail 3 times that we know of, and going to re-hab, I don't know how many times. Her having 6 children and doesn't have any of them (the last 2 taken by child services). Her children are difinately not her first priority or concern & SHE is the one that has chose to be completely out of his life. We let her come to our house to visit him when she got out of jail, so he could get to know her. Gosh, my last post was lenghty, but not near long enough. Why are you making us out to be doing something wrong, by me just asking the QUESTION of taking her parental rights away after 4 years of her absence? I also am VERY aware the Court makes all the decisions and don't care about what we have to spend. BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD?
 

Hot Topic

Senior Member
You want your grandson with you, and you want to decide when your son is ready to be a father for him. First your son didn't meet your standards for being a good father, and now your son can be his father when his son decides that he feels secure and loved "enough" with him It seems there's always a reason for you to hang on the boy, e.g., son not ready to be a dad, son stressed by starting a new business so not ready to be a dad, and grandson has to decide he feels secure and loved enough to be with his dad.

Your wanting to take the mother's rights away is based in part on what an old boyfriend told you about the way she supposedly mistreated your grandson when he was a baby. That may be true. It may not be. And saying "not go pweese" is cute/sad, but it doesn't ring true.

Your son needs to grow some, take charge of his son and take him to visit you on a regular basis. He should hire a professional psychologist if the boy needs help with the adjustment. Otherwise, I don't think the boy will ever decide to live with him full time, and that's not right.
 

GranSuz

Junior Member
Obiviously You Only Post To Make Your Statements

(1) - Not About My Son (2) - You didn't address my QUESTION (3) - I didn't have to explain anything to ask my Question (4) - I didn't ask for your psychological feelings and rude statements (5) - I resent you implying that I am lieing (6) - This is a very Serious matter to us (7) - You have no idea of what's not right (8) - You aren't posting to help. I think this must be a game to you. (9) - I hope YOUR Grandchildren never needs YOU (10) - You are just trying to do what you have done...You have wasted my time replying to your replys, and you have not been of any help. So please don't waste your time replying to any of my questions in the future.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
(1) - Not About My Son (2) - You didn't address my QUESTION (3) - I didn't have to explain anything to ask my Question (4) - I didn't ask for your psychological feelings and rude statements (5) - I resent you implying that I am lieing (6) - This is a very Serious matter to us (7) - You have no idea of what's not right (8) - You aren't posting to help. I think this must be a game to you. (9) - I hope YOUR Grandchildren never needs YOU (10) - You are just trying to do what you have done...You have wasted my time replying to your replys, and you have not been of any help. So please don't waste your time replying to any of my questions in the future.
Go pay your attorney a LOT of money please. You are the one who has no idea what is RIGHT legally. Goodbye. You can and should leave now.
 

GranSuz

Junior Member
Thank You Too

You are RIGHT, I don't know what's right legally. That is why I posted a QUESTION that no one seems to want to address. Just want to send sarcastic remarks. Why do you reply to post if you aren't trying to be helpful? I see now, that this was all a waste of time.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
You are RIGHT, I don't know what's right legally. That is why I posted a QUESTION that no one seems to want to address. Just want to send sarcastic remarks. Why do you reply to post if you aren't trying to be helpful? I see now, that this was all a waste of time.
You don't think the evaluator and the Judge won't ask these same questions?? Will you tell them that you don't it's relevant??
 

Hot Topic

Senior Member
Ohiogal, I think the problem could be that the attorney didn't give her the answer she wanted, and she hoped by coming here that someone would.

Hopefully, the court will rule that the grandson should be with his father and that it's not the grandparents' place to decide when that should be.

The grandparents can have regular visits with the boy. Maybe their son will begin to pay them back some of the money they're out - attorney fees, lost wages and so forth - because that's obviously a sore point.

Good luck to the little guy.
 

Perky

Senior Member
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Hot Topic

Senior Member
So you're telling the OP that there could be a way to change the custody order on her own, but she really shouldn't start it without consulting the attorney she has already hired? Seems like you're assuming that the attorney doesn't already know what can and can't be done. With the recommendation you've attached, I can't see how this could benefit the OP.
 

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