PAS/PA in court

[SESmama]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? GA

Can anyone post some URLs that show PAS as a diagnosis is not recognized in the court system? I know PA can be used to show patterns of behaviour but can it be used as an actual diagnosis?

 

[LdiJ]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? GA

Can anyone post some URLs that show PAS as a diagnosis is not recognized in the court system? I know PA can be used to show patterns of behaviour but can it be used as an actual diagnosis?

The last thing that anyone should want to use in court is PAS. It has been totally discredited. I doubt that you would find anyone willing to diagnose PAS any longer.

Alienation is real, and if that has happened, then of course that should be addressed in court.

 

[mistoffolees]

The last thing that anyone should want to use in court is PAS. It has been totally discredited. I doubt that you would find anyone willing to diagnose PAS any longer.

Alienation is real, and if that has happened, then of course that should be addressed in court.

Take it one step further. EVERYTHING in a divorce should be evaluated on the basis of the facts of the case rather than some arbitrary label.

If alienation is occurring, stick to the facts of the matter. Labeling it as PAS doesn't help and - as Ldij has pointed out - may make it worse.

OT, but same thing applies to abuse. No one cares if your stbx is an 'abusive personality'. They do care what he/she has actually done. FACTS, not labels.

 

[CJane]

An excellent link, if I do say so...

https://forum.freeadvice.com/child-custody-visitation-37/parental-alienation-syndrome-pas-information-521212.html

 

[SESmama]

Thanks CJane. Got that one just looking for other supporting or denouncing articles.

 

[SESmama]

Sorry to bring this up again but I was advised that PAS (or possibly PAD?) will become official in the DSM-IV in 2013. I can find no proof to substantiate the truth or discredit of this claim. Does anyone have any knowledge of this and if so where might I find it? No, I do not practice it and no I have not been accused of it but there is another board that I am being slammed in because they choose not to believe that it has been discredited even after proof of such. So this is their new claim and I am hoping to show concrete proof of one way or the other. If it does get placed in the DSM-IV then will it become something that can be used in court?

 

[TheGeekess]

Home | APA DSM-5

 

[SESmama]

Geekess you are the absolute BEST!

 

[WittyUserName]

Just to follow up:

"There are a number of conditions that are being recommended for addition to DSM-5 by outside sources, such as mental health advocacy groups, that are still under consideration by the work groups. The following conditions are considered “under review,” and work groups will make a recommendation about their inclusion after further assessing the evidence. We welcome your comments on whether available evidence indicates that the following should be included in DSM-5."

Apathy Syndrome

Body Integrity Identity Disorder

Complicated Grief Disorder

Developmental Trauma Disorder

Disorders of Extreme Stress Not Otherwise Specified

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

Internet Addiction

Male-to-Eunuch Gender Identity Disorder

Melancholia

Parental Alienation Disorder

Seasonal Affective Disorder

Sensory Processing Disorder


Conditions Proposed by Outside Sources | APA DSM-5

Proposed does not mean that it WILL be included, however.

 

[LdiJ]

Sorry to bring this up again but I was advised that PAS (or possibly PAD?) will become official in the DSM-IV in 2013. I can find no proof to substantiate the truth or discredit of this claim. Does anyone have any knowledge of this and if so where might I find it? No, I do not practice it and no I have not been accused of it but there is another board that I am being slammed in because they choose not to believe that it has been discredited even after proof of such. So this is their new claim and I am hoping to show concrete proof of one way or the other. If it does get placed in the DSM-IV then will it become something that can be used in court?

I don't know what the DSM-IV is, but I cannot imagine PAS ever becoming official in any way.

 

[SESmama]

I don't know LdiJ. There were 39 courts (I believe) that accepted said "diagnosis" in the 1980's. I had the reference but now cannot find it. So I wonder.

Oh and "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV)"

 

[LdiJ]

I don't know LdiJ. There were 39 courts (I believe) that accepted said "diagnosis" in the 1980's. I had the reference but now cannot find it. So I wonder.

That was before it was discredited.

Oh and "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV)"

No way...they didn't accept it prior to its inventor committing suicide, they certainly aren't going to suddenly find it valid later.

I have reviewed your prior threads and you always ask your questions in a vacumn, giving almost no background information or context for your questions. It makes it very difficult to give you good answers.

 

[mistoffolees]

I don't know what the DSM-IV is, but I cannot imagine PAS ever becoming official in any way.

Wow. You don't know what DSM is, but you're enough of a psychology expert to know that it will never become official?

Amazing.

 

[SESmama]

Well LdiJ I actually have very few issues with my ex but one can never be too prepared. I just hate to see something so obviously wrong used as a tactic in custody cases.
I'm sorry it seems as if I ask in a vacuum but it isn't because I actually have an issue but am interested in learning just in case.

 

[LdiJ]

Wow. You don't know what DSM is, but you're enough of a psychology expert to know that it will never become official?

Amazing.

Misto, there has been MAJOR research and discussion done on this forum on the subject. Every senior member involved in that major research and discussion knows the same information that I know.

You should seriously consider doing a search on this site and look for a post of CJane's that has some major info on PAS. Some of the info will really sicken you.

You can also google PAS and do some research of your own if you want more details.