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CSO286

Senior Member
If I got a choice in the matter, I'd rather she talk to our son about his new school, ask him how he feels about the change of schools mid-year, address those feelings, talk about meeting new friends, and if/how to keep in touch with old ones, and how to transition to new school environment since he's moving from a Montessori environment to a traditional one, etc.

How do you know she's not? I don't exactly see a seven year old boy saying, "mommy talked to me aboiut my feelings."


So no, I don't think telling him "You're going to a new school, and it's a mile closer to daddy's house!", with no other discussion, was productive for *him* AT ALL.
I'd argue this point. To a seven year old, that woud have been one of the bigger selling points when talking about transition. If my mom had moved us closer to my dad, and tried to explain the relative merits of the various educational philosphies, I wouldn't have cared. "Closer to dad" is tangible and very easy for a small child to understand. and if junior wants to talk to jim bob from his old school, mom can quite easily pick up a phone an make a play date.
I rather doubt that the only discussion mom has with junior was that the new school is closer to you.

Really, I dont see any kind of legal argument here....


Typos are blamed on my stupid bum hand and I'm not fixing them unless they result in misinformation.
 


MichaCA

Senior Member
Do you have joint legal custody to where the change of schools needs to be mutual decision?

What is the deal with him changing schools, why is mom moving...?

What is your attorney saying about all this?
 

Shears

Member
How do you know she's not? I don't exactly see a seven year old boy saying, "mommy talked to me aboiut my feelings."
I asked him how he felt about the move. He told me he was sad about it. I asked him if he's talked about those feelings. He said he hadn't. I asked him if he wanted to talk to me about those feelings. He did. So he told me his feelings, and I addressed them, discussing the happy and the sad, the normalcy of the feelings, etc. I tried to offer things to look foward to about the change, and make it 'exciting' and new, like new friends, etc...all the things about 'new' you try to tell a child to get them to look forward to something rather than be sad about it. I also explained sometimes things happen and decisions are made for us that we don't get to choose or control, and it's important for him to know he has a voice, even if he doesn't get to make his own decisions. He has a sense already that his feelings don't matter, and he has to take what is handed to him and be numb to it. (This is happening in other areas - I'm worried about it, and I've been working to get him counseling. Another tangent...)




I'd argue this point. To a seven year old, that woud have been one of the bigger selling points when talking about transition. If my mom had moved us closer to my dad, and tried to explain the relative merits of the various educational philosphies, I wouldn't have cared. "Closer to dad" is tangible and very easy for a small child to understand. and if junior wants to talk to jim bob from his old school, mom can quite easily pick up a phone an make a play date.
I rather doubt that the only discussion mom has with junior was that the new school is closer to you.
Mom and I had already had the email communication where I suggested several options that would provide more stability for him than her initial, and unchanged final, decision. She knew that if she moved forward with changing schools to this school (rather than the 4 more stable options for him), I would be taking legal action, and in the interim visitation would be interrupted, and why. Not sure how saying "your new school is one mile closer to your dad's house", in that detail, at that point was anything other than an attempt to steer his thinking?
 

Knowalot

Member
Attorney Advice

**Sometimes** attorneys tell you what you want to hear; they make money by representing clients. If this attorney is truly advising you to go to Court over 1 mile distance and a comment about that 1 mile being closer to daddy, I would make the humble suggestion you shop around for another attorney. Without invading privacy, can you explain further how 1 mile can take so much time? Where in the heck is this school located, up a mountain and you have to depart the car and hike through the trees? This poor little boy ......
 

Shears

Member
Do you have joint legal custody to where the change of schools needs to be mutual decision?

What is the deal with him changing schools, why is mom moving...?

What is your attorney saying about all this?
We do have joint legal custody. But it turns out it means not much the way it's worded. Had I *known* the reality of divorced parenting I'd have done SO many things differently. The orders state that we are to make joint decisions with regard to his education, religion, medical needs. In the event of our being unable to reach an agreement, Mom has final decision making authority. What this has turned into in reality is Mom feels an email 'notification of her decision' (in her words) 6 days before she puts it in action constitutes a discussion, and a decision-making process. Nevermind the 30-day statute to notify me of moving residences, nevermind the joint legal custody decision-making process. I emailed her my concerns for our son; no response; I emailed again, offering 4 other more stable arrangements for his education; no response (I do know she received them because I sent them return-receipt). Six days later, he's in a new school.

My ex moves every 9-12 months, and has done so since our divorce in 2005. It keeps happening due to roommates not working out, and my ex being underemployed and relying on CS for her own life. With each move there is a great intention (she will say whatever sounds good at the time to justify the move), but it never pans out - there's never any follow through to the great plans. Good for her if she wants to be a free spirit, and chase dreams - that's great when you're independently wealthy and/or don't have the responsibility of a child. I'm truly not being sarcastic on that. But when you have a child, those days are kind of over - your world changes. At least mine did. My ex *will not* work more than part-time. We were married for 1 year, so there is no alimony. I have paid maximum CS per our state's formula from day one; no 'credit for time spent', although he is with me 35%; I've never missed or been late for a payment. In 2008, I filed for custody modification (due to this same residential and school moving problem); she countered with a request to increase CS; the Judge denied the custody modification, and ordered a standard increase due to salary increase (the norm), and a 'discretionary increase' to add private school tuition to the max amt I was already paying; and ordered I pay attorney's fees for that case. The reason for the discretionary additional amount was not in writing - another BIG mistake on my part. Ex subsequently pulled our son from private school and put him in public school. She has moved 4 (or 5?) more times (can't remember which one right now without going back to emails). Ex does not understand that the best way to cover her own expenses is to work; the CS for our son is there, and always has been.

The attorney I contacted this week has said the original court does not have a designated 'family court'. They are accustomed to seeing parents in and out of jail, on drugs, no heat in the house, etc. "They only care that there's a loaf of bread in the house; if there is, the kid's fine, the court's not moving him." He says let her go ahead and get established in current county, where there is a dedicated family court, and they will not "put up with this type of instability for the child and abuse of power on legal custodial issues" from the custodial parent.

I've been trying to research residency laws, how long she has to be in the current county to file there, and can't pinpoint actual statutes or code. I posted here, and got advice of 6 months, but didn't get an actual statute. The 6-month code I am finding regards *state* jurisdiction, but not county.

I put in another call to the attorney (trying not to do this too much - can't afford it), and he said it doesn't have to be 6 months for the county move. He told me to call him back in a month and we'd move forward.

So that's where I am. Trying to do any legal legwork I can on my own. Stressing out when questions come up in my head an hour after talking to my attorney on the phone.
 

CSO286

Senior Member
She knew that if she moved forward with changing schools to this school (rather than the 4 more stable options for him), I would be taking legal action, and in the interim visitation would be interrupted, and why. Not sure how saying "your new school is one mile closer to your dad's house", in that detail, at that point was anything other than an attempt to steer his thinking?
It's not doing any more than explainig to junior the aspects that are relevant to him.

Seriously--There isn't any manipulation going on.


Typos are blamed on my stupid bum hand and I'm not fixing them unless they result in misinformation.
 

CSO286

Senior Member
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I've been trying to research residency laws, how long she has to be in the current county to file there, and can't pinpoint actual statutes or code. I posted here, and got advice of 6 months, but didn't get an actual statute. The 6-month code I am finding regards *state* jurisdiction, but not county.
As I understands venue--and I am sure that the seniors will again correct me, If mom moves within a state, the county where the proceedings originated still retains jurisdiction, unless both parties agree to a change of venue. this has been my experience with the states I've worked with.
 

Shears

Member
**Sometimes** attorneys tell you what you want to hear; they make money by representing clients. If this attorney is truly advising you to go to Court over 1 mile distance and a comment about that 1 mile being closer to daddy, I would make the humble suggestion you shop around for another attorney. Without invading privacy, can you explain further how 1 mile can take so much time? Where in the heck is this school located, up a mountain and you have to depart the car and hike through the trees? This poor little boy ......

I haven't talked to him about the comment yet - I keep trying to do legal legwork (ignorantly, since I'm in a profession nowhere near the legal field) on my own where I can.

The attorney has advised not to go to court in old county (I gave his explanation in my previous post), and says I have very good chances of custody modification in new county. He was recommended to me by a close friend who retained him in a CS matter with her ex, and said 'he doesn't lose'. Well surely he loses sometimes, but her recommendation, and my consultation with him, did give me confidence in him.

We've all been a bit baffled by how the case went in 2008. We, being my family and close friends. That's probably normal - the 'loser' always feels an injustice has been done. Just like no one on death row ever really committed their crime. I get that. However this attorney's advice on the current situation really shed some light to me about why 2008 went the way it did. Once I started making the correlations in my head after we spoke, the math started to work. I get how the judge then wasn't worried about 'our little instability problem'. It really has helped me shed some frustration. I have a little hope now on finally getting this chaos addressed and giving my son some normalcy (by my standards - I realize my 'normal' is my 'opinion', and chaos may work well for other people).

As far as the new school, if it's possible to add attachments in these posts, I'd be happy to post a map of the routes with the city and street names censored.
 

ra04152010

Junior Member
I understand your concern

I think I understand your concern. That is a lot of drive time for a child on three school days. One mile closer does not help if you now must go through metro traffic, rather than a noncongested route before. I think I would give up that time with my child if it made it easier on them. It's all about best interest of the child. However, the judge may see it as some people on here YOU are trying not to be inconvienced rather than you trying to make your sons school days better. Your ex should not have added the sly remark about one mile closer to your house. A simple statment saying the child is changing schools would be good enough. And I think you did right by explaining the different types of roads good educational lesson along with letting him know your not just getting out of seeing him. I think I would do this.
1. Pick child up on thurs at school. Find a nice quite spot close to school to have dinner with him and do homework. Libary , book store ect. Take him to mom at reasonable hour so he can get good rest for school on Friday.
2. Spend a few buck on sunday night get hotel room close to childs school. Allowing him plenty of rest for monday morning.
You will not loose a lot of time. This will show child, mom, judge ect that you dont mind inconviences to see your child but you do mind the child having difficulty in school due to long drive time. Remember this may not be a forever thing make it work for as long as you possbily can. Good luck on obtaining custody if that is what is best for your child.
 

Shears

Member
I think I understand your concern. That is a lot of drive time for a child on three school days. One mile closer does not help if you now must go through metro traffic, rather than a noncongested route before. I think I would give up that time with my child if it made it easier on them. It's all about best interest of the child. However, the judge may see it as some people on here YOU are trying not to be inconvienced rather than you trying to make your sons school days better. Your ex should not have added the sly remark about one mile closer to your house. A simple statment saying the child is changing schools would be good enough. And I think you did right by explaining the different types of roads good educational lesson along with letting him know your not just getting out of seeing him. I think I would do this.
1. Pick child up on thurs at school. Find a nice quite spot close to school to have dinner with him and do homework. Libary , book store ect. Take him to mom at reasonable hour so he can get good rest for school on Friday.
2. Spend a few buck on sunday night get hotel room close to childs school. Allowing him plenty of rest for monday morning.
You will not loose a lot of time. This will show child, mom, judge ect that you dont mind inconviences to see your child but you do mind the child having difficulty in school due to long drive time. Remember this may not be a forever thing make it work for as long as you possbily can. Good luck on obtaining custody if that is what is best for your child.
Thank you - I will absolutely do #1 - thank you for getting my head outside of my frustrated box. !!!

#2 isn't financially feasible for me (I'll spare you the woe-is-me on finances), but my hope is that getting him back to her by bed-time (or within a decent hour to settle down for bedtime) will be close enough to what he was used to before - it takes away my saying goodnight, being a room away from him for 9 1/2 hours while he sleeps, and the drive in the car in the a/m, which I'm not happy about, but I guess those aren't the most "quality" hours in the grand scheme of things.

Thank you for your advice.
 

jbowman

Senior Member
Proper response to 7 year old child:

Child: "Dad, mom says Im going to a new school and its a mile close to your house."

Dad: "Son, I KNOW!! Isnt that AWESOME! You'll be closer and you will have so much fun at your new school. I bet you cant wait!"

The end.
 

Shears

Member
Proper response to 7 year old child:

Child: "Dad, mom says Im going to a new school and its a mile close to your house."

Dad: "Son, I KNOW!! Isnt that AWESOME! You'll be closer and you will have so much fun at your new school. I bet you cant wait!"

The end.
You're right. I should not have gotten upset at the attempted 'set-up'; and should have thought about the solution of only losing sleeping and car-time on Thurs night/Fri morning and Sun night/Mon morning, which I'm thinking won't seem like as big a change to him as not seeing each other at all on Thursdays.

You're absolutely right.

I wish I didn't get frustrated so easily with my ex, and thought more quickly on my feet about how to adjust to these spur of the moment moves and changes. You'd think I have enough practice by now. This *is* something I have *got* to learn to breathe for a few minutes and think about before I respond.
 
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Isis1

Senior Member
You're right. I should not have gotten upset at the attempted 'set-up'; and should have thought about the solution of only losing sleeping and car-time on Thurs night/Fri morning and Sun night/Mon morning, which I'm thinking won't seem like as big a change to him as not seeing each other at all on Thursdays.

You're absolutely right.

I wish I didn't get frustrated so easily with my ex, and thought more quickly on my feet about how to adjust to these spur of the moment moves and changes. You'd think I have enough practice by now. This *is* something I have *got* to learn to breathe for a few minutes and think about before I respond.
Let me throw out a suggestion. Open a file on your computer. Label it "communication". In this file, write letters to your ex about what you feel she is doing all wrong. First draft. Save it, don't print it. Leave there for 24-48 hours. Retype from memory. Save it, don't print. In 48 hours, reread bith drafts, retype removing every single adjective. Every last one. Then remove every "i" word. If you can't replace it with your child's name, remove the sentence. Save, don't print.

Now, read your letter. If it makes ANY sense, save it. Don't print. If it doesn't make sense, delete it and go have a beer.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Let me throw out a suggestion. Open a file on your computer. Label it "communication". In this file, write letters to your ex about what you feel she is doing all wrong. First draft. Save it, don't print it. Leave there for 24-48 hours. Retype from memory. Save it, don't print. In 48 hours, reread bith drafts, retype removing every single adjective. Every last one. Then remove every "i" word. If you can't replace it with your child's name, remove the sentence. Save, don't print.

Now, read your letter. If it makes ANY sense, save it. Don't print. If it doesn't make sense, delete it and go have a beer.

I absolutely LOVE this suggestion!
 

SESmama

Member
I say skip it and go directly to the beer.

However, I can definately see it taking that much additional time in the Atlanta, GA area. At certain times of the day (rush hour - which is an oxymoron) it can take me 3 times as long to go the same stretch of road as it would say at 2pm.
 

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