Constitutional Rights

[CdwJava]

In CA it is my understanding that restrictions can be put on CCWs. I have not ever had cause to see one with restrictions on it, but the language on the applications indicate that the holder must follow restrictions included in the CCW by the issuing agency and I have read stories online of such restrictions. My county is one where the Sheriff issues all CCWs so I have little exposure to them.

 

[justalayman]

ok, here it is:
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/fire_fact.shtml

Firearms Requirements for Security Guards, Alarm Agents, Private Investigators and Private Patrol Operators

Even if you are licensed or registered in the security, alarm, or private investigation fields, you may not carry a gun on duty - whether loaded or unloaded - unless you have been issued an exposed firearm permit by the Department of Consumer Affairs. You must keep the permit with you at all times while on duty.

Note: It is illegal for a licensee or registrant to carry a CONCEALED weapon on duty without a permit issued by local authorities.

simple: it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon while on duty unless you have a permit issued by local authorities (Carl, who would that be?)

to carry open you must have a permit issued by the DCA.

so no swalsh, a state issued ccw will not allow you to legally carry a weapon while on duty.

 

[swalsh411]

so no swalsh, a state issued ccw will not allow you to legally carry a weapon while on duty.

What is your basis for that belief? I have never seen any language in any State's carry law which says "you can carry except when you're working" or "your employer must give permission otherwise it is illegal for you to carry". There are specific professions and/or locations where further licensing/training is required but other than that the law doesn't care whether you're on the clock or not.

 

[justalayman]

What is your basis for that belief? I have never seen any language in any State's carry law which says "you can carry except when you're working" or "your employer must give permission otherwise it is illegal for you to carry". There are specific professions and/or locations where further licensing/training is required but other than that the law doesn't care whether you're on the clock or not.

Come on. What do you want? You think they just made up those answers without support?

Did you go to that website? It is an official California.gov site.

and it isn't a matter of the CCW law. It is a restriction imposed on people licensed by the BSIS. They can impose different rules as a condition of issuing a license and that is exactly what they are doing.

 

[CdwJava]

A PI who carries a weapon without the proper BSIS permit in addition to the CCW can risk being charged with a crime for unlawful carry as one is required to have the BSIS permit and a CCW to carry as a PI. However, in general, it appears that the applicable Business and Professions Code sections will generally apply only to administrative penalties and not criminal ones should the PI fail to have the proper BSIS permit.

 

[swalsh411]

Come on. What do you want? You think they just made up those answers without support?

Did you go to that website? It is an official California.gov site.

and it isn't a matter of the CCW law. It is a restriction imposed on people licensed by the BSIS. They can impose different rules as a condition of issuing a license and that is exactly what they are doing.

We're talking about two different things here. There is no law that says, in general, it is illegal to carry without your employer's permissions or even against the wishes of your employer. There is simply no law which says that. However, there may be additional rules which apply to people who are licensed by BSIS. If such a rule exists for people licensed by BSIS, the sanction would be loss of license not anything criminal.

 

[justalayman]

We're talking about two different things here. There is no law that says, in general, it is illegal to carry without your employer's permissions or even against the wishes of your employer. There is simply no law which says that. However, there may be additional rules which apply to people who are licensed by BSIS. If such a rule exists for people licensed by BSIS, the sanction would be loss of license not anything criminal.

I didn't say there was but you said this:

swalsh411
If she has a CCW, she can legally carry a firearm pursuant to the laws of the State regardless of whether or not her employer approves. She risks getting fired, but she's not breaking any laws.

that is wrong. The CCW does not allow her to carry a weapon when working as a PI. She MUST have additional permits to be able to carry either open or concealed.

and who said it was criminal? I said it was illegal and it would be. I have not looked to see the penalties. Carl appears to have and suggested it was an administrative penalty.

 

[BigMouthWino]

I didn't say there was but you said this:
and who said it was criminal? I said it was illegal and it would be. I have not looked to see the penalties. Carl appears to have and suggested it was an administrative penalty.

It's always fun reading you reduced to arguing semantics when somebody who knows what they're talking about proves you wrong yet again justalayman.

 

[justalayman]

It's always fun reading you reduced to arguing semantics when somebody who knows what they're talking about proves you wrong yet again justalayman.

It's semantics when swalsh was just plain wrong about the facts?

swalsh411
If she has a CCW, she can legally carry a firearm pursuant to the laws of the State regardless of whether or not her employer approves. She risks getting fired, but she's not breaking any laws.

It is against the law with just a ccw if the person is working as a PI. No semantics and I'm not wrong.
so go to Hell. You are wrong.

 

[BigMouthWino]

so go to Hell. You are wrong.

This is a pattern with you. Somebody points out you're wrong and you will cling to the slightest variance of verbiage to justify your position.

I did not offer an opinion on this topic. So what am I wrong about? That when you're wrong you start justifying your positions with semantics? Or were you still screaming at swalsh?

 

[justalayman]

BigMouthWino;3091785]This is a pattern with you. Somebody points out you're wrong and you will cling to the slightest variance of verbiage to justify your position.

I did not offer an opinion on this topic. So what am I wrong about? That when you're wrong you start justifying your positions with semantics? Or were you still screaming at swalsh?

you are wrong in stating I am wrong.


variation of verbiage?

it is simple. A CCW in itself does not allow a PI in Calformia to carry a weapon. That is in direct opposition to swalsh's statement.

swalsh411
If she has a CCW, she can legally carry a firearm pursuant to the laws of the State regardless of whether or not her employer approves. She risks getting fired, but she's not breaking any laws.

there is nothing slight about anything. Swalsh is simply wrong in that statement. She would be breaking a law unless she had the additional permit required to carry a weapon.

 

[swalsh411]

So cite the law which states it is unlawful to carry a gun while working as a PI if one has a CCW.

 

[justalayman]

So cite the law which states it is unlawful to carry a gun while working as a PI if one has a CCW.

sorry but what I gave you from the state of California is all you'll get from me. If you don't believe their statements, dispute it with them.

 

[BigMouthWino]

So cite the law which states it is unlawful to carry a gun while working as a PI if one has a CCW.

It's hard to cite something that doesn't exist. He'd much rather argue semantics and build forts.

 

[justalayman]

I cited an as authoritative source as I will for this. You are simply worth nothing more than that.