Juvie PO

[thecody]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? ny

My juvie probation PO is tryin to violate my probation for two things. He says I "moved without informing change of address" - where I didn't, I just stayed at some other houses a few nights. I never moved my stuff. And he says I failed to attend drug testing - which I didn't know about because I lost my phone so I never knew that they wanted me to go for a drug test.
Can I really be violated for those things? I don't see how I broke any rules, they just making rules up.

 

[quincy]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? ny

My juvie probation PO is tryin to violate my probation for two things. He says I "moved without informing change of address" - where I didn't, I just stayed at some other houses a few nights. I never moved my stuff. And he says I failed to attend drug testing - which I didn't know about because I lost my phone so I never knew that they wanted me to go for a drug test.
Can I really be violated for those things? I don't see how I broke any rules, they just making rules up.

Those sound like legitimate probation violations to me and not made-up rules.

Changing residences without informing your probation officer, and being unreachable by phone, and missing drug tests, is not exactly how probation generally works.

 

[thecody]

Those sound like legitimate probation violations to me and not made-up rules.

Changing residences without informing your probation officer, and being unreachable by phone, and missing drug tests, is not exactly how probation generally works.

I didn't 'change residences' - I stayed a night at a couple of friends houses.
Is it against the law to lose your phone?
My probation contract doesn't say that I have to be at my house 24/7 and have a phone on me 24/7.

I go to drug tests when I hear about them...

 

[quincy]

I didn't 'change residences' - I stayed a night at a couple of friends houses.
Is it against the law to lose your phone?
My probation contract doesn't say that I have to be at my house 24/7 and have a phone on me 24/7.

I go to drug tests when I hear about them...

Ahh, well then. I guess that is what you can tell the judge.

 

[thecody]

Ahh, well then. I guess that is what you can tell the judge.

My contract says I can't move, leave the county or the state without written permission from the PO.

I don't think I did that? Right? And I don't have a curfew.

This was over like 3 1/2 days. I've gone 3 1/2 days without any contact with my PO before. And I'd already had a drug test the day before. Am I supposed to be calling him all "hey, you want me?...how about now?....you need me now?"
And anyways, I was going to school during those days. How about come and find me if I'm not answering my phone or calling back. I don't know why he didn't come to school.
Can I argue he didn't even put any effort in to have me go to the drug test when the phone wasn't working? People lose phones....

 

[quincy]

My contract says I can't move, leave the county or the state without written permission from the PO.

I don't think I did that? Right? And I don't have a curfew.

This was over like 3 1/2 days. I've gone 3 1/2 days without any contact with my PO before. And I'd already had a drug test the day before. Am I supposed to be calling him all "hey, you want me?...how about now?....you need me now?"
And anyways, I was going to school during those days. How about come and find me if I'm not answering my phone or calling back. I don't know why he didn't come to school.
Can I argue he didn't even put any effort in to have me go to the drug test when the phone wasn't working? People lose phones....

You know your probation officer better than I do. If he lets you go without contact, or without informing him of where you will be staying at night, then tell this to the judge and hope that your probation officer supports what you say.

I am not sure it is his responsibility to track you down, though. I think it is your responsibility to be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there. But I could be wrong.

 

[Ohiogal]

My contract says I can't move, leave the county or the state without written permission from the PO.

I don't think I did that? Right? And I don't have a curfew.

This was over like 3 1/2 days. I've gone 3 1/2 days without any contact with my PO before. And I'd already had a drug test the day before. Am I supposed to be calling him all "hey, you want me?...how about now?....you need me now?"
And anyways, I was going to school during those days. How about come and find me if I'm not answering my phone or calling back. I don't know why he didn't come to school.
Can I argue he didn't even put any effort in to have me go to the drug test when the phone wasn't working? People lose phones....

YOU are the one on probation. YOU are the one responsible for keeping in touch with your PO. When you lose your phone, you need to tell your PO you lost your phone. You can be violated for not making sure your PO could contact you at all times.

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

Hmmmm. OK, We'll go with that claim. Explain to the judge how you going off to a friends for a few days, coincided with losing your phone and you did not think it important to replace the phone until after the drinking... oops, I mean after the visit was over.

 

[cbg]

Just went back and read this little hooligan's history.

His record of listening to others isn't very good.

 

[quincy]

I guess if he doesn't listen very well, he probably doesn't need to replace his phone.

 

[thecody]

YOU are the one on probation. YOU are the one responsible for keeping in touch with your PO. When you lose your phone, you need to tell your PO you lost your phone. You can be violated for not making sure your PO could contact you at all times.

Wouldn't my probation contract have to say these things for me to be able to be violated over them?

Hmmmm. OK, We'll go with that claim. Explain to the judge how you going off to a friends for a few days, coincided with losing your phone and you did not think it important to replace the phone until after the drinking... oops, I mean after the visit was over.

I passed my drug tests (and they use the alcohol one that goes days back). So I guess not.

Now I don't have a phone. Are they going to replace it? I doubt it. So now there's no way for us to be in contact at any moment of the day. But that doesn't seem to be a problem for them. So how's it that it was a problem for them for 3 1/2 days?

 

[Proserpina]

I guess if he doesn't listen very well, he probably doesn't need to replace his phone.

I wonder if he'll hear us now?

 

[cbg]

He didn't hear a thing we said for four pages in the other thread. I have no expectation that he'll hear anything we say now.

Frankly, I don't know why the little brat came back since he doesn't appear to care what we tell him.

 

[thecody]

He didn't hear a thing we said for four pages in the other thread. I have no expectation that he'll hear anything we say now.

Frankly, I don't know why the little brat came back since he doesn't appear to care what we tell him.

Some of you got distracted last time.

Like what's happening now. Can we try just posting about probation officers and probation documents?

 

[quincy]

Some of you got distracted last time.

Like what's happening now. Can we try just posting about probation officers and probation documents?

What exactly do your probation documents say about you keeping in touch with your probation officer or your probation officer keeping in touch with you, then?

Is it your understanding that you can go where you want when you want for as long as you want and not let your probation officer know, and that you can do this without providing your probation officer with any way to contact you, as long as you don't leave the country or the state?

Probation doesn't sound all that bad.