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niecy1215

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state? Florida

So three years ago at the age of 17 my sister gave birth to a baby boy. Instead of taking care of him however and being a mother to him she literally abandoned him and left him to be raised and taken care of by his grandmother. She all the while has gone off and on of drugs, lived from place to place, been involved in illegal activity, and has never contributed one penny to his finances. Now she is threatening to take him, he is three now and has everything he needs and we, her family, know that she is still unstable and unresponsible and we fear for his safety and security.
We know that she is his mother and therefore has guardianship of him however there has to be some way we can have the courts see what kind of damage she would do to him should she take him and run as well as how unstable she is financially and emotionally (she has been diagnosed with bipolar and manic depression) We fear that she would take him and that we would never hear from the child again.
Where should we take it from here?
 


rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
niecy1215 said:
What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state? Florida

So three years ago at the age of 17 my sister gave birth to a baby boy. Instead of taking care of him however and being a mother to him she literally abandoned him and left him to be raised and taken care of by his grandmother. She all the while has gone off and on of drugs, lived from place to place, been involved in illegal activity, and has never contributed one penny to his finances. Now she is threatening to take him, he is three now and has everything he needs and we, her family, know that she is still unstable and unresponsible and we fear for his safety and security.
We know that she is his mother and therefore has guardianship of him however there has to be some way we can have the courts see what kind of damage she would do to him should she take him and run as well as how unstable she is financially and emotionally (she has been diagnosed with bipolar and manic depression) We fear that she would take him and that we would never hear from the child again.
Where should we take it from here?
Grandma needs to go to court and establish guardianship of the child.
Has paternity been established?
Has the child been abandoned?
Here are the grounds for termination of parental rights.
Grounds for Termination of Parental Rights Florida
Statute: § 39.806

Circumstances That Are Grounds for Termination

Abandonment or Extreme Parental Disinterest

Abuse/Neglect

Felony Conviction/Incarceration

Failure of Reasonable Efforts

Abuse/Neglect or Loss of Rights of Another Child

Sexual Abuse

Child Judged in Need of Services/Dependent

Child's Best Interest

Child in care 15 of 22 months (or less)

Felony assault of child or sibling

Murder/Manslaughter of sibling child

Circumstances That Are Not Grounds for Termination

Mental Illness or Deficiency

Alcohol or Drug Induced Incapacity

Failure to Maintain Contact

Failure to Provide Support

Failure to Establish Paternity

Fla. Stat. Ann. § 39.806 (West, WESTLAW through End of 2001 1st Reg. Sess.)

The department, the guardian ad litem, or any person who has knowledge of the facts alleged or who is informed of those facts and believes that they are true, may petition for the termination of parental rights under any of the following circumstances:

When the parent or parents have voluntarily executed a written surrender of the child and consented to the entry of an order giving custody of the child to the department for subsequent adoption and the department is willing to accept custody of the child;

Abandonment or when the identity or location of the parent or parents is unknown and cannot be ascertained by diligent search within 60 days;

When the parent or parents engaged in conduct toward the child or toward other children that demonstrates that the continuing involvement of the parent or parents in the parent-child relationship threatens the life, safety, well-being, or physical, mental, or emotional health of the child irrespective of the provision of services. Provision of services may be evidenced by proof that services were provided through a previous plan or offered as a case plan from a child welfare agency;

When the parent of a child is incarcerated in a
State or Federal correctional institution and the
period of time for which the parent is expected
to be incarcerated will constitute a substantial
portion of the period of time before the child
will attain the age of 18 years; the incarcerated
parent has been determined by the court to be a
violent career criminal, a habitual violent
felony offender, or a sexual predator; has been
convicted of first degree or second degree
murder, or a sexual battery that constitutes a
capital, life, or first degree felony violation;
has been convicted of an offense in another
jurisdiction which is a substantially similar
offense to one of the offenses listed in this
paragraph; the court determines by clear and
convincing evidence that continuing the parental
relationship with the incarcerated parent would
be harmful to the child and, for this reason,
that termination of the parental rights of the
incarcerated parent is in the best interest of
the child;

A petition for termination of parental rights may
also be filed when a child has been adjudicated
dependent, a case plan has been filed with the
court, and the child continues to be abused,
neglected, or abandoned by the parents. In this
case, the failure of the parents to substantially
comply for a period of 12 months after an
adjudication of the child as a dependent child or
the child¿s placement into shelter care,
whichever came first, constitutes evidence of
continuing abuse, neglect, or abandonment unless
the failure to substantially comply with the case
plan was due either to the lack of financial
resources of the parents or to the failure of the
department to make reasonable efforts to reunify
the family. Such 12-month period may begin to run
only after the child's placement in shelter care
or the entry of a disposition order placing the
custody of the child with the department or a
person other than the parent and the approval by
the court of a case plan with a goal of
reunification with the parent, whichever came
first;

When the parent or parents engaged in egregious
conduct or had the opportunity and capability to
prevent and knowingly failed to prevent egregious
conduct that threatens the life, safety, or
physical, mental, or emotional health of the
child or the child's sibling;

When the parent or parents have subjected the child to aggravated child abuse as defined in § 827.03, sexual battery or sexual abuse, or chronic abuse;

When the parent or parents have committed murder or voluntary manslaughter of another child of the parent, or a felony assault that results in serious bodily injury to the child or another child of the parent, or aided or abetted, attempted, conspired, or solicited to commit such a murder or voluntary manslaughter or felony assault.

Reasonable efforts to preserve and reunify families shall not be required if a court of competent jurisdiction has determined that any of the events described above have occurred.

When a petition for termination of parental rights is filed, a separate petition for dependency need not be filed and the department need not offer the parents a case plan with a goal of reunification, but may instead file with the court a case plan with a goal of termination of parental rights to allow continuation of services until the termination is granted or until further orders of the court are issued.
 
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westcoastdaddy

Guest
where is the child's father?

where is the child's father? has a dna test proved he is the father? if so, he would be first in line for custody.you cant ignore the fact that this child has another parent who has more rights then anyone else.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
westcoastdaddy said:
where is the child's father? has a dna test proved he is the father? if so, he would be first in line for custody.you cant ignore the fact that this child has another parent who has more rights then anyone else.
Kelly,
Can't you read both the question and the detailed response? The second thing I asked was if Paternity was established, until that question is answered nothing you said has any meaning or relevance. Otherwise, termination of parental rights or grandma petitioning for guardianship are both appropriate no matter the status of the missing and/or unknown father who has no rights until they prove paternity and then petition for rights which at this point is not likely to happen.
 

niecy1215

Junior Member
about the dad

The father lives in the Dominican Republic and he has no way of coming to Florida being that he has no visa to do so. He has however stated that should the childs grandmother wants to petition for guardianship he would do whatever to assist her being that he knows the lack of interest and the lifestyle of his mother.
Would we have to have him sign over his parental rights so that he is not a factor in the pertition for guardianship?
Thank you for the advice!
Also, I think we can definitely get her for some, if not all of the following:
Abandonement or Extreme Parental Disinterest
Failure of Reasonable Efforts
Childs Best Interest
Abandonement or when the location of the parent cannot be obtained within 60 days (we do not know where she lives right now and she won't tell us either)

Also, when he was two years old she claimed she was leaving for a couple years and signed a paper that my sister quickly drafted from legal forms on the internet. The form was notarized but most importantly she signed it with the intention of giving over her parental rights. Can this be used against her to show her lack of interest? Although it was not a form from the courts, it contains all possible contingencies.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Grandma should take everything she has to the courthouse on Monday Morning and apply for guardianship. Normally it will be tempoary guardianship initially that will allow time for the courts to obtain permission from the father in DR, then mom cannot show up and simply take the child away on a whim. Guardianship may be sufficiant. Grandma may also file for child support and the state will seek to get it from mom. If there has been medicaid or welfare for the child, the state will attempt to get child support from both parents. Has the father in DR acknowledged paternity at the hospital or been established as the father by a court ordered DNA test? I ask this because, while he may be cooporative now, if he is the father, he may not be cooporative later, or if he hasn't been established as the father he has no say either.
 

niecy1215

Junior Member
paternity

The father hasnt ever been DNA tested however his name is on the birth certificate, what does that mean?
Temporary guardianship would definitely help buy us some time, atleast until we know what needs to be done as far as the father. Our main concern is her taking him and us not having anything to prevent it. Honestly, she might take him and run and who knows where she's taking him.
Now, can temporary guardianship be filed for without an attorney? What would be the steps necessary in doing so?
Thanks so much
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
If Dad's name is on the Birth Certificate most likely he signed an Acknowledgement of Paternity while at the hospital, you can check with the hospital to see where these are filed to confirm. Not knowing the county I can't tell you specifically, that is why I told you to have Grandma go to the courthouse tomorrow Morning as they can give you the specifics for your county, but here is a link to a site for one county, your ocunty may also have a similar site, but state forms will be the same and Q&A aill be similar.

I hope this helps, keep us updated.

PASCOCLERK.COM - Guardianships
Guardianships are filed on behalf of:. minors; pursuant to Florida Statutes ...
http://www.pascoclerk.com/public-courts-guardianships.asp
 

niecy1215

Junior Member
?

The father wasnt present when the baby was born, this would mean he definitely didn't sign the form. Would this call for a paternity test?
Thanks for all your help, it's cleared so much up.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
niecy1215 said:
The father wasnt present when the baby was born, this would mean he definitely didn't sign the form. Would this call for a paternity test?
Thanks for all your help, it's cleared so much up.
Sometimes the forms are signed and turned in later, that is why you would want to varify, but that doesn't stop Grandma from petitioning the court for Guardianship tomorrow, it jst means that there isn't a "father" to consent and the judge can rule on the basis of mom's demonstrated behaviors.
 

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