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ContractorJaxFL

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? FL

Sorry for the long post but we need some serious advice which is greatly appreciated!

We gave our client a quotation in October and she accepted to have the work done right after Christmas. She paid the down payment per check (mostly used to buy materials) and we performed the work on thursday (12-27-07) - installation of approximately 180 linear feet of aluminum gutters all around her house. After she inspected the work she gave us the final payment check as agreed upon in our quotation "final payment is due upon satisfactory completion of the work". The first check was for $700 and the second one for $480.

She called saturday (12-29-07) and said that she was not happy with the work and we suggested to come out on monday to fix what they thought was wrong with the gutters. Her roommate called also a little bit later and DEMANDED that we came out the same day (saturday) to fix the gutters RIGHT THEN OR ELSE - she was very rude. We bought material that is intended for PVC gutters (to angle the gutters more) since they don't make those things for aluminum gutters and fixed only a small section because it was getting dark. Aluminum gutters are different from PVC gutters which are angled already, aluminum gutters are very hard to install perfectly level. We also pointed out BEFORE we started the job that there would be seams every 10 feet and that we would seal those. Both women agreed to that and didn't seem to have any problem with the seams. While we were performing the repair, 3 guys were constanly around us and acted very intimidating and pointed out issues we were going to address later. We said that the homeowners needed to take a look at the work and let us know on sunday during the day how they liked the section we fixed and we would come back out on monday to do the rest of the gutters the same way.

They never called us on sunday. We called back on monday (12-31-07) and the demanding one of the two women said that they wanted a FULL REFUND of the money for the whole job (including the money for the materials - adding up to around $650). So basically, we would pay for the gutters that we cannot use in the future and the work we've performed. We suggested to get together face to face to resolve the issues they are having a few days later.

On 01-03-08 the nicer woman called and we set up a time to meet that afternoon. Later in the morning the demanding woman called and threatened to take us to court if we would not agree to their demands, a whole refund. We met for coffee with the nicer of the two women and we suggested to her to come out and redo the work completely. She said that she was not going for that and that she had lost confidence in us completely. All of a sudden the demanding woman shows up and gets very hostile and confrontational with us. Again, she threatened to take us to court and to destroy our good reputation if her demands would not be met.

She also mentioned that she put a stop payment on the second check (she only mentioned the second check, we don't know if she also put a stop payment on the first one which we used for the materials). So that means that we are going into the hole with our bank and that the money we paid to our workers is out the door as well.

Did they breach the contract and what legal consequences follow? Can we take them to court for non-payment for services performed? We offered (free of charge of course) remedy of the issues the clients have with the performed work numerous times but they simply declined - we feel that we have done what we possibly could to fulfill our end of the contract and to resolve the issues. Do they have a legal leg to stand on by threatening to take us to court? The mean woman also mentioned that she is considering to have someone else take down the gutters for $7 per linear foot and bill us for that work even though we offered to take down the gutters for free - can she do that?

Thanks for any advice!!
 


BL

Senior Member
Sure you can take them to court , or they may file against you first .

They will have to show why they think you don't deserve to be paid .

In your post you reference coming back to " fix " things the way they want it .

That's not how installations are done .

Work is to be preformed the way it's suppose to be done , not to someone else's liking .

So, it makes one wonder if the materials used and installation were installed properly .
 

ContractorJaxFL

Junior Member
Thank you for replying! The client's facia is more angled than usual and it was very hard to get the gutters to be level because of the way aluminum gutters are made, they don't have "clips" like PVC gutters, we went out and got those clips that are intended for PVC gutters and used them for the aluminum gutters - in a small section for them to see and to decide if that is the way they want it.

In the beginning, we suggested PVC gutters because of the way their facia is angled but they insisted on brown aluminum gutters and that is what we bought. We have installed many other gutters in the past and never had a problem with anything. The gutters don't look bad at all, they are just not 100% level and that is what the client wants and we installed them exactly the way they are supposed to be installed.

It's not an installation issue - we are professionals - it's an issue with the client changing their mind about what they want - and putting it on our shoulders (and our wallet).
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
Thank you for replying! The client's facia is more angled than usual and it was very hard to get the gutters to be level because of the way aluminum gutters are made, they don't have "clips" like PVC gutters, we went out and got those clips that are intended for PVC gutters and used them for the aluminum gutters - in a small section for them to see and to decide if that is the way they want it.

In the beginning, we suggested PVC gutters because of the way their facia is angled but they insisted on brown aluminum gutters and that is what we bought. We have installed many other gutters in the past and never had a problem with anything. The gutters don't look bad at all, they are just not 100% level and that is what the client wants and we installed them exactly the way they are supposed to be installed.

It's not an installation issue - we are professionals - it's an issue with the client changing their mind about what they want - and putting it on our shoulders (and our wallet).
**A: gutters should not be 100% level. There must be a proper slope to allow for adequate drainage to the downspouts.
 

R. J.

Junior Member
I think what he is saying about the gutters being level is not from one end of the home to the other but that the facia board the gutters attach to do not create a flat surface but have angle toward the home.
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
I think what he is saying about the gutters being level is not from one end of the home to the other but that the facia board the gutters attach to do not create a flat surface but have angle toward the home.
**A: ok, as long as it is installed per manufacturers and industry standards it should be a non issue.
 

ContractorJaxFL

Junior Member
So changing her mind about the gutters with seams after they have been installed correctly and then stopping payment on the check(s) is not going to look good in court, will it ? (In case it goes to court). She agreed to the gutters with seams before we even went out to buy the materials and now that is one of the things she is disgruntled with. She sent us an email today demanding a decision about the full refund by today or tomorrow. We have decided to offer her one last time to come out and remedy the issues she is having with the work - in our opinion there are no real issues. If she declines, we'll take her to court for the stop payment on the check(s) and see what happens.

I mean, she wants the money back for the gutters that are attached to her house and money for our labor. We can't use the gutters for any other job - all our clients want PVC, not aluminum - and some of them are cut to size, have holes in them from the screws and have sealant every 10 ft as well. We value our customers very much but this is going way too far. We have had very picky clients in the past and always made them happy with the work we've performed - by going the extra mile and beyond. We know that we can't please everyone but we sure are always trying our best. We can't afford to pay close to $1200 for nothing and to let her get away with it. :mad:
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
So changing her mind about the gutters with seams after they have been installed correctly and then stopping payment on the check(s) is not going to look good in court, will it ? (In case it goes to court). She agreed to the gutters with seams before we even went out to buy the materials and now that is one of the things she is disgruntled with. She sent us an email today demanding a decision about the full refund by today or tomorrow. We have decided to offer her one last time to come out and remedy the issues she is having with the work - in our opinion there are no real issues. If she declines, we'll take her to court for the stop payment on the check(s) and see what happens.

I mean, she wants the money back for the gutters that are attached to her house and money for our labor. We can't use the gutters for any other job - all our clients want PVC, not aluminum - and some of them are cut to size, have holes in them from the screws and have sealant every 10 ft as well. We value our customers very much but this is going way too far. We have had very picky clients in the past and always made them happy with the work we've performed - by going the extra mile and beyond. We know that we can't please everyone but we sure are always trying our best. We can't afford to pay close to $1200 for nothing and to let her get away with it. :mad:
**A: then threaten to file a mechanics lien or sue.
 

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