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stritch

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Florida

Twenty years ago, I began an affair with a married man. We had a child together in 1991 and a second child in 1993. He never signed the birth certificates, because he was afraid his wife would find out.

After the birth of our second child, things slowly deteriorated. He would become unreachable for long periods of time, etc. I would finally track him down; he would pay some money; disappear again. He closed the bank account we had, after taking all the money. After the older child turned two, he stopped having any contact with them. Over the years, he has visited them very few times and almost never even speaks to them.

I never filed for child support. I was afraid he would stop giving me any money at all and I was afraid of causing trouble for him with his wife (a woman to whom he is still married). Over the years, he has given me money off and on, and for the last two years, he has given us fairly regular payments each month, to the tune of between $1,500 and $2,000 a month.

He had always insisted that his wife knew nothing about us or the kids. Maybe so, but a few months ago, she found out. I got a call from her telling me he had died, "so you won't be getting anything from him again."

They live in New Jersey; I live in Florida (moved here from New York six years ago).

It took me a couple of weeks to prove that he was not dead. They retained an attorney in New Jersey, as did I. They demanded a DNA test. We took it. The results have been delayed due to a problem with his sample. He went in to have a new sample taken today and we expect the results to be ready next week. For the last two months, he has sent me a $1,000.00 a month, paid through his attorney's trust account to help out with our expenses until the DNA results are back and we can go to the next step.

There is a huge difference between our incomes. He is a PE, with a consulting business, and I work in a restaurant. They have considerable joint assets; I have nothing.

I have not filed court papers yet. I am hoping that once the DNA results are back, he and I can come to an agreement ourselves, which could then be presented to a judge for approval. They don't really want to provide full financial disclosure.

Ultimately, what I would like is some sort of lump sum and then monthly payments in accordance with the guideline amounts. Florida law allows for a child support order retroactive to two years "prior to the time the parties were no longer living together." While I admit that he has paid a fairly substantial sum of money over the last two years, he always maintained that it was intended as "gifts" to help us out, for instance, to help cover what we lost when our apartment was nearly destroyed in the hurricanes of 2004.

The attorney who is helping me in New Jersey is working pro bono. I have spoken to several here, all of whom want substantial retainers before doing anything. I don't have the money to pay them, so I will file whatever papers eventually need to be filed here on my own.

My questions, then, are:

1. Is it reasonable to ask for a lump sum payment?

2. Knowing that he equals prefers as I do to keep things out of court, is it likely that any support agreement he and I come to would be signed of by a judge to make it legally binding anf enforcible?

3. Could part of any agreement we reach be made to include a legal name change for the children? (They have my last name legally, but have always gone by his last name)

I have asked the attorney who is helping me, but she says, "Let's take it one step at a time."

Thank you for your opinions and advice.
 


ceara19

Senior Member
stritch said:
What is the name of your state? Florida1. Is it reasonable to ask for a lump sum payment?
No, it is not reasonable to ask for a lump sum for retroactive support for 2 years. Even though the law allows 2 years of retroactive support, it does not mean that it is guaranteed. The normal action would be to order the support starting from the day you file for child support. Since he did not go out of his way to avoid paying support, the judge will most likely decide that you could have filed sooner but chose not to. That would be the case regardless of whether or not he previously gave you money as a gift.

2. Knowing that he equals prefers as I do to keep things out of court, is it likely that any support agreement he and I come to would be signed of by a judge to make it legally binding anf enforcible?
As long as both parties agree, it would be approved by the judge in most cases.
3. Could part of any agreement we reach be made to include a legal name change for the children? (They have my last name legally, but have always gone by his last name)
That would be very easy to do, but make sure that you really WANT this. Once it's done, it is hell to undo.

I have asked the attorney who is helping me, but she says, "Let's take it one step at a time."

Thank you for your opinions and advice.
You are welcome. One more piece of advice, if it was ME, I would not agree to ANYTHING without a complete income disclosure first. The general assumption is that if someone does not want to disclose the information, they are trying to hide something.
 

stritch

Junior Member
Yes, I could have, and retrospect should have, filed long before this. However, it is not entirely accurate to say he didn't go out of his way to avoid paying. Every cent I have received since shortly after the birth of my second daughter has been hard-fought for.

I didn't realize at the time either of the girls were born that I could have given them his last name without his permission, or I would have done so. They are his children and deserve his name. They have always been known by his last name, so I just want to make it legal.

Yes, undoubtedly he is hiding much. He lied to me about his income. His properties, etc. I am sure that there is much more than what I and the investigator has managed to unearth, but I am not looking to get rich. I just want enough support to help give the girls some of the things they deserve and which I cannot, at this time, provide. It has been very difficult for me to find a decent-paying job here. My age (I am 51) isn't helping. I make barely $1,000 a month.
 

GrowUp!

Senior Member
stritch said:
Yes, undoubtedly he is hiding much. He lied to me about his income. His properties, etc. I am sure that there is much more than what I and the investigator has managed to unearth, but I am not looking to get rich. I just want enough support to help give the girls some of the things they deserve and which I cannot, at this time, provide. It has been very difficult for me to find a decent-paying job here. My age (I am 51) isn't helping. I make barely $1,000 a month.
But yet you had the means to hire an investigator??!
:confused:

Keep in mind, since you two were never married and paternity was never established, he was under no legal obligation to tell you anything. You might also want to verify with your attorney the legitimacy of the DNA test, especially if it's being delayed because of a "problem".
 

ceara19

Senior Member
GrowUp! said:
But yet you had the means to hire an investigator??!
:confused:

Keep in mind, since you two were never married and paternity was never established, he was under no legal obligation to tell you anything. You might also want to verify with your attorney the legitimacy of the DNA test, especially if it's being delayed because of a "problem".
I believe the investigator is tied to the pro bono attorney that is helping her.

You are right about the DNA test. If it came back negative, I would ask for another test at a different lab and offer to pay for that test if it too came back negative. If this guy has a couple thousand dollars a MONTH to throw around in order to hide the mistress from the wife and the wife didn't notice the missing money for YEARS, he could probably afford to "buy" DNA results.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
stritch said:
His properties, etc. I am sure that there is much more than what I and the investigator has managed to unearth, but I am not looking to get rich. I just want enough support to help give the girls some of the things they deserve and which I cannot, at this time, provide. It has been very difficult for me to find a decent-paying job here. My age (I am 51) isn't helping. I make barely $1,000 a month.
If he's married, "his" properties" are only half his, the other half belong to his wife. Did You KNOW he was married when you and he were first together?

BTW- 51 is NOT that old to be holding down a decent FULL TIME job to support yourself and your share of your children. I'm 51 also, hold a full-time job, have an eight year old child, and save for college, make the mortgage payments and many of my same age peers also work full time PLUS.
 

AHA

Senior Member
stritch said:
I make barely $1,000 a month.
Child support isn't going to pay for all the bills, you are supposed to contribute too, so maybe a better job or a second one is what you need if you are short of cash.
 

MrsK

Senior Member
AHA said:
Child support isn't going to pay for all the bills, you are supposed to contribute too, so maybe a better job or a second one is what you need if you are short of cash.
And, dont forget to stop having kids with married men. Probably a moot point since you are 51, but hey, you never know. You (hopefulyl) see it was a very poor choice to make, not to mention it doesnt exactly make you look like the most moral person out there.
 

ceara19

Senior Member
MrsK said:
And, dont forget to stop having kids with married men. Probably a moot point since you are 51, but hey, you never know. You (hopefulyl) see it was a very poor choice to make, not to mention it doesnt exactly make you look like the most moral person out there.
It's not like she can undo having children with a married man. Stupid choice, yes! Does it make her look immoral, sure! But not as much as it does the father. After all, HE was the one that promised to love, honor and cherish one person for life, not her.

She screwed up ROYALLY. But that doesn't mean that dad should get off easy. He continued to relationship even after kid #1 and spent a lot of money to try and hide his "second family" from the wife.
 

AHA

Senior Member
The damage is already done, so mommy has to file for cs when the DNA test comes back, screw what daddy or his wife thinks and wants. It's about the kids now, not the irresponsible adults that should have known better.
 

MrsK

Senior Member
ceara19 said:
It's not like she can undo having children with a married man. Stupid choice, yes! Does it make her look immoral, sure! But not as much as it does the father. After all, HE was the one that promised to love, honor and cherish one person for life, not her.

She screwed up ROYALLY. But that doesn't mean that dad should get off easy. He continued to relationship even after kid #1 and spent a lot of money to try and hide his "second family" from the wife.
Well there is NO question that dad is a complete ass & piece of crap. His poor wife, she shouldve divorced him ASAP, its too bad she didnt find out until recently.
 

stritch

Junior Member
There were no results from the DNA test as yet; the lab said his sample was no good and he needs to give another.

Immoral? Wrong choice? Yes. However, I have two beautiful children out of it and I wouldn't trade them for anything.

The bills and all backed-up when our apartment was destroyed in the hurricanes of 2004. Things have been rough since then, but we are rebuilding, albeit slowly. I do work full-time. Unfortunately, my employment options are limited by health and lack of mobility, but, I hope, things will improve soon on those fronts, too.

Thank you all for your advice and your opinions, stones and all.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
stritch said:
Immoral? Wrong choice? Yes. However, I have two beautiful children out of it and I wouldn't trade them for anything.
So that makes making babies with ANOTHER WOMAN'S HUSBAND ok? For your information, single women can and do make babies, or adopt babies, who are also beautiful, without using someone elses spouse to do so. And without messing around with someone elses marriage. Still married is still married.
 

ceara19

Senior Member
nextwife said:
So that makes making babies with ANOTHER WOMAN'S HUSBAND ok? For your information, single women can and do make babies, or adopt babies, who are also beautiful, without using someone elses spouse to do so. And without messing around with someone elses marriage. Still married is still married.
You're right, married is still married. The OP has owned up to her mistakes. What you seem to be glossing over is the fact that SHE was not the one that was MARRIED! Dad was the one that broke his vows, not her. It doesn't excuse her actions, but SHE is not the one responsible for screwing over the wife. The husband screwed that pooch alone!
 

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