Basic rights about to be destroyed

[Torellian]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? WI

What to do if Defense bill provision allowing US citizens to be arrested by our own military and held without charge, representation or trial? The president may very well sign this into law since it passed the Senate on a 93-7 vote.

Is there any way of doing anything about this before people begin being arrested and indefinately detained?

Obama's Most Fateful Decision

 

[justalayman]

Torellian;2971700]What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? WI

What to do if Defense bill provision allowing US citizens to be arrested by our own military and held without charge, representation or trial? The president may very well sign this into law since it passed the Senate on a 93-7 vote.

Why would that be any different than the Padillo situation where exactly that happened several years ago? Granted it was (I think) the FBI but the basis of the detention was that he was an enemy combatant which changes the situation to one controlled by the military.

Along with that, the Patriot Act has removed much of your Constitutional protections already in a formal manner.

Granted this new bill goes even further but only by codifying the right to detain indefinitely without probable cause.

Is there any way of doing anything about this before people begin being arrested and indefinately detained?

yes, there is. How much money do you have? Just as the presidents "you must buy insurance" law was taken to court before it was enacted, this law can also be challenged. All it takes is a bunch of money or a lawyer willing and able to do it for free.

It cannot happen until passed though.


On top of that, although it has been passed, in separate versions, through each house of Congress, it still must be reconciled and then presented to the pres for ratification or veto. It isn't too late to write to your Congressmen and even the president to express your views.

 

[Torellian]

Why would that be any different than the Padillo situation where exactly that happened several years ago? Granted it was (I think) the FBI but the basis of the detention was that he was an enemy combatant which changes the situation to one controlled by the military.

Along with that, the Patriot Act has removed much of your Constitutional protections already in a formal manner.

Granted this new bill goes even further but only by codifying the right to detain indefinitely without probable cause.

yes, there is. How much money do you have? Just as the presidents "you must buy insurance" law was taken to court before it was enacted, this law can also be challenged. All it takes is a bunch of money or a lawyer willing and able to do it for free.

It cannot happen until passed though.


On top of that, although it has been passed, in separate versions, through each house of Congress, it still must be reconciled and then presented to the pres for ratification or veto. It isn't too late to write to your Congressmen and even the president to express your views.

It seems that in order for this to be challenged, it would have to be done before you got arrested and detained since you obviously wouldn't have any rights afterwards. But what doesn't work very well there is that few people would have the incentive to spend all the time and money needed for something that would probably never affect them anyway. The Obamacare law on the other hand, is something that will affect everyone, everyday.

 

[justalayman]

it can be challenged by an individual after arrested. Of course whether the detainee has any contact with an outsider who can initiate such a challenge could be problematic.

and to suggest this law does not affect everybody is incorrect. While it may not affect them today or tomorrow and some people it may never directly affect, the truth is: an abrogation of anybody's rights is an abrogation of everybody's rights.

this is simply one attack on our civil rights. Once you weaken the damn, it takes less and less damage each time to come that much closer to a total breach.

 

[Shannongiles16]

Osama said we didnt have the intestinal fortitude to fight his kind of war. If we want the bad guys to go away we have to surrender a few rights and pray it never comes down on our heads. I really want the bad guys to go away and I dont really care how they do it.
Did you ever hear how china cured its nation of rampant heroin addiction? It was very effective.

 

[justalayman]

Osama said we didnt have the intestinal fortitude to fight his kind of war. If we want the bad guys to go away we have to surrender a few rights and pray it never comes down on our heads. I really want the bad guys to go away and I dont really care how they do it.
Did you ever hear how china cured its nation of rampant heroin addiction? It was very effective.

here is a quote from Ben Franklin:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

apparently you deserve neither, at least in the mind of Ben Franklin so how about you go and surrender yourself to the closest police station so they can lock you up for no reason.

 

[Shannongiles16]

Well, the cowards dont get to make all the decisions and Im grateful.