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[CA] Doctors failed to diagnose cancer. Is it a good time now to file a lawsuit?

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Law925

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[CA]

My mother was diagnosed with metastatic cancer last month (June 2024) out of the blue. She had her adrenal gland removed in 2022 for Cushing's disease (rare). Before surgery, the CT scan said "likely benign", and the pathology report also said benign. I just got second opinions back from the CT scan and the pathology slides. The radiologist ruled that the CT scan showed signs of cancer, and the second opinion pathology report stated malignant and not benign. Slam-dunk evidence for failure to diagnose cancer and misdiagnosis, bar none.

So...Do I file the lawsuit now? My mom's prognosis isn't that good because it's stage 4. If she passes away (heaven forbid), then that would become a wrongful death situation. In that case, if the previous med mal suit is finished, can I then sue for wrongful death if that happens? Or do lawyers generally wait for someone to pass away (unethically and immorally) before taking a cancer med mal case? Thanks.
 


Taxing Matters

Overtaxed Member
You don't file any lawsuit. You aren't the injured party, your mother is. She's the one who would need to sue, and she'd need a lawyer to review it first to ensure that she indeed has a good medical malpractice case to bring. Medical diagnosis is not always an easy thing to do, and sometimes two perfectly competent doctors can reach different reasonable conclusions about what tests indicate. In those cases, there is no malpractice by either doctor because their diagnosis is within the range of what a competent doctor with that information may conclude. Also, the misdiagnosis must have been the cause of the damages she suffered from it. If her outcome would likely have been the same if a cancer diagnosis was made two years ago then there isn't anything to win in the lawsuit because the misdiagnosis didn't change anything.

She should see a medical malpractice attorney now. There is a time limit on filing the complaint with the court and if she misses that, then her opportunity to successfully sue will be gone. In CA the patient must first provide the medical practitioner(s) a notice she intends to sue at least least 90 days before the complaint is filed in court, and that will factor into how much time she has to get the complaint properly filed now. In order to succeed in the lawsuit she needs expert medical opinions that what was done fell below the minimum standards for medical practice in her situation. That's one of the first things the lawyer will seek out.

There is something else to know. As unfair as it may sound, if she is elderly and not working her damages are going to be limited because she'll have no economic damages for which to sue (e.g. lost income). She'd have a claim to get back what she pays out of her pocket in medical expenses as a result of the error and would also likely get an award for pain and suffering caused by the error. It can often be hard for a jury to determine what pain and suffering she'd have had regardless of which way the diagnosis went and what extra pain and suffering is caused by the misdiagnosis. Juries vary widely across the country on how generous they are in their damage awards, so it will be important to find from a local lawyer what she might reasonable expect a jury to award her should she win.

In short, she doesn't have a slam dunk case yet. Just how good a case she has has to be evaluated in light of the expert witness report, which your mother does not yet have.

She may wish to see two or three medical malpractice attorneys to see what differences of opinion there may be on how good the case is and to decide on which attorney will work best with her in advising her about what is possible and in explaining what is being done at each stage of the process.

Be aware, too, that medical malpractice cases often take more than a year or two to reach trial. So this isn't something that's likely to have a quick resolution unless your mother and insurer for the doctors are able to agree on a settlement number pretty quickly. With some plaintiffs, the extra stress of a lawsuit on top of everything else they are going through reduces how long they live and may also take away from the joy she might have been able to experience during her last years with the time she had to take to deal with the lawsuit. There are a lot of factors to consider in the decision of what to do, and the best decision isn't always the one that might get the biggest payday.
 

Law925

Junior Member
"You don't file any lawsuit. You aren't the injured party, your mother is."

Yes, I know that, but you raise a good point by saying that....

Medical Malpractice Cases

In wrongful death cases in which the cause of death is due to the medical malpractice of a health care provider, then the victim’s family has to bring a claim within the earliest of:
  • 1 year from the date of discovery that death was caused by medical negligence, or
  • 3 years from the date of death.[

Ok, so let's say I have good evidence that there's medical malpractice while my mother is still alive. She refuses to sue by choice and then eventually passes away from cancer. Now my immediate family and I would be the plaintiffs (the INJURED PARTIES, to allude to your quote above) to sue for wrongful death, and we would be perfectly within our right to do so. Regardless of whether I knew about potential medical malpractice or not and had definite evidence of it while my mother was still alive (inaccurate scans, misdiagnosis, etc.), which was all gathered while she was alive, the *family* is now suing, and the date of death is when the SOL starts. Only my mother could have sued when she was alive, and it was her choice not to.

Correct? If not, please cite source(s).

P.S. My mother is retired, so she's only getting Social Security. Therefore, if she sues, monetary damages for lost income are unlikely to be awarded. However, if she passes and I sue, she was my sole source of financial support and the only other companion I had in our home. It's just me and my mother, so an award going to *me* would likely be substantial (in addition to my other family member who would join the suit).

Summary:
I just have to wait and see how this cancer takes its course, and all we know is that it's highly aggressive. If it leads to her death, then I have 1 year from the date of death to sue for medical malpractice since I discovered it before she died. You can't sue for wrongful death until the person dies after all. From what I researched, there is absolutely no legal defense available to say that the family knew about the malpractice before death happened and therefore, it's not a wrongful death. This can't be a defense because the family had no standing to sue due to the mother still being alive and only she could have sued for med mal.

Make sense?
 
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quincy

Senior Member
[CA]

My mother was diagnosed with metastatic cancer last month (June 2024) out of the blue. She had her adrenal gland removed in 2022 for Cushing's disease (rare). Before surgery, the CT scan said "likely benign", and the pathology report also said benign. I just got second opinions back from the CT scan and the pathology slides. The radiologist ruled that the CT scan showed signs of cancer, and the second opinion pathology report stated malignant and not benign. Slam-dunk evidence for failure to diagnose cancer and misdiagnosis, bar none.

So...Do I file the lawsuit now? My mom's prognosis isn't that good because it's stage 4. If she passes away (heaven forbid), then that would become a wrongful death situation. In that case, if the previous med mal suit is finished, can I then sue for wrongful death if that happens? Or do lawyers generally wait for someone to pass away (unethically and immorally) before taking a cancer med mal case? Thanks.
If your mother is mentally competent and she has no interest in suing for medical malpractice, there is no lawsuit for you to consider. It is her decision.

edit to add: Law925, your post #3 was reported for moderator review, to have the attorney-link removed. Your post will be returned after editing.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
[CA]

My mother was diagnosed with metastatic cancer last month (June 2024) out of the blue. She had her adrenal gland removed in 2022 for Cushing's disease (rare). Before surgery, the CT scan said "likely benign", and the pathology report also said benign. I just got second opinions back from the CT scan and the pathology slides. The radiologist ruled that the CT scan showed signs of cancer, and the second opinion pathology report stated malignant and not benign. Slam-dunk evidence for failure to diagnose cancer and misdiagnosis, bar none.

So...Do I file the lawsuit now? My mom's prognosis isn't that good because it's stage 4. If she passes away (heaven forbid), then that would become a wrongful death situation. In that case, if the previous med mal suit is finished, can I then sue for wrongful death if that happens? Or do lawyers generally wait for someone to pass away (unethically and immorally) before taking a cancer med mal case? Thanks.
I'm sorry to hear of your mother's diagnosis.

I would like to share an anecdotal story. My wife suffered from severe pain for many years (close to a decade). She tried any number of treatments, none of which helped. I finally convinced her GP (and the various specialists) that a certain procedure would help her condition, and they offered a referral to a surgical specialist at a very well-respected hospital. This specialist examined my wife and all her records and then stated that the conclusion that I (and all the other doctors) had reached was wrong, and performing the procedure would cause much more harm and require further surgeries to correct if it was done. This didn't sound right to us, and we went ahead with the procedure. The procedure was 100% successful - my wife woke up from the anesthesia with the pain being gone, and it hasn't come back for 6-7 years now.

The point of my story is to bolster what you were told above. The opinions given by all of my wife's doctors (including the expert who was wrong) were reasonable based on their training and medical knowledge. The expert didn't do anything wrong, he simply was mistaken.
 

quincy

Senior Member
… P.S. My mother is retired, so she's only getting Social Security. Therefore, if she sues, monetary damages for lost income are unlikely to be awarded. However, if she passes and I sue, she was my sole source of financial support and the only other companion I had in our home. It's just me and my mother, so an award going to *me* would likely be substantial …
You are not self-supporting and you rely entirely on mother’s social security benefits? Could you please explain.
 

adjusterjack

Senior Member
As unfair as it may sound, if she is elderly and not working her damages are going to be limited
I can attest to that.

My father was 83 when he died from hospital malpractice. in 2001 There was a smoking gun so the hospital settled for $70,000. The lawyer got a third, insurance got reimbursed, my mother got $30,000.
 

quincy

Senior Member
I can attest to that.

My father was 83 when he died from hospital malpractice. in 2001 There was a smoking gun so the hospital settled for $70,000. The lawyer got a third, insurance got reimbursed, my mother got $30,000.
A settlement would be the most likely result of a malpractice lawsuit.
 

Taxing Matters

Overtaxed Member
Make sense?
Yes, but while the wrongful death claim is brought by the surviving relatives (and the CA statutes set out the order to determine which relatives may bring the claim) you still have to prove that the death was caused by the malpractice. The more time that elapses between the malpractice event and the death, the harder that becomes.

For example, if she had the cancer at the time of the malpractice and cancer is ultimately determined to be her cause of death, several challenges arise for you. First, would the outcome have been any different had the cancer been discovered earlier? If the answer is no, then there is nothing to get from the wrongful death because the alleged malpractice wasn't the cause of her death. If the answer is yes, then the challenge is determining how much longer she would lived had the cancer been detected earlier. There has be evidence to support the claim of how much longer she'd have lived; courts do not award damages based on mere speculation. Your claim to damages for support would be limited to the support you lost during that extra period of time, and in CA wrongful death claims based on malpractice are subject to the same caps as for a malpractice claim. The fact that her only income was Social Security suggests she isn't providing you much, if any, cash support. So how are you coming up with the idea that the wrongful death award would be huge?

If she should happen to die from something else, like a heart attack, that is not connected to the cancer then there will be no wrongful claim to make at all. In that case the malpractice had no impact on how long she lived; the heart attack (or whatever non cancer cause of death) would have occurred regardless of the alleged malpractice.

Once your mother passes, you certainly may (and probably should) consult a lawyer that litigates CA wrongful death claims. Just be aware that these cases are not as simple as some nonlawyers picture them to be. They also can be rather expensive to litigate, so most lawyers won't be interested on taking the case on contingent fee basis if the likely judgment is relatively modest.


A settlement would be the most likely result of a malpractice lawsuit.
I agree, assuming that there was a least some support for the malpractice claim. The same is true of wrongful death lawsuits and pretty much every other civil lawsuit. In most states the percentage of cases that are filed that make it to trial is somewhere between 5-10%.
 

quincy

Senior Member
… I agree, assuming that there was a least some support for the malpractice claim. The same is true of wrongful death lawsuits and pretty much every other civil lawsuit. In most states the percentage of cases that are filed that make it to trial is somewhere between 5-10%.
Right. Emotions often drive a lawsuit (especially a malpractice/wrongful death lawsuit) but, without solid evidence to support the claim, the lawsuit can come to an abrupt end.
 

Law925

Junior Member
I can attest to that.

My father was 83 when he died from hospital malpractice. in 2001 There was a smoking gun so the hospital settled for $70,000. The lawyer got a third, insurance got reimbursed, my mother got $30,000.
That's a very low settlement amount, but I'm pretty sure it's that low because your father was 83. My aunt tried to sue the hospital when my grandfather died in 2011, but he was 81 and the suit went nowhere. My mother will be 68 in a few weeks. That's still considered young.
 

Law925

Junior Member
Yes, but while the wrongful death claim is brought by the surviving relatives (and the CA statutes set out the order to determine which relatives may bring the claim) you still have to prove that the death was caused by the malpractice. The more time that elapses between the malpractice event and the death, the harder that becomes.

For example, if she had the cancer at the time of the malpractice and cancer is ultimately determined to be her cause of death, several challenges arise for you. First, would the outcome have been any different had the cancer been discovered earlier? If the answer is no, then there is nothing to get from the wrongful death because the alleged malpractice wasn't the cause of her death. If the answer is yes, then the challenge is determining how much longer she would lived had the cancer been detected earlier. There has be evidence to support the claim of how much longer she'd have lived; courts do not award damages based on mere speculation. Your claim to damages for support would be limited to the support you lost during that extra period of time, and in CA wrongful death claims based on malpractice are subject to the same caps as for a malpractice claim. The fact that her only income was Social Security suggests she isn't providing you much, if any, cash support. So how are you coming up with the idea that the wrongful death award would be huge?

If she should happen to die from something else, like a heart attack, that is not connected to the cancer then there will be no wrongful claim to make at all. In that case the malpractice had no impact on how long she lived; the heart attack (or whatever non cancer cause of death) would have occurred regardless of the alleged malpractice.
Let's see...If she passes due to the cancer, once confirmed by autopsy (which is the best thing to do, and I certainly intend on ordering one whenever she passes because that will document all the organs affected), I will definitely consult a lawyer. I would be extremely foolish not to have an autopsy performed in this case.

"you still have to prove that the death was caused by the malpractice. The more time that elapses between the malpractice event and the death, the harder that becomes."

I have an over 50% chance of proving it, which is all that's needed (preponderance of the evidence). Fact is the CT scan in 2022 should have been interpreted as possible malignant cancer, and if this was interpreted this way, more scans would have been done, the surgery would have been done differently (removing the gland *intact* instead of chopping it up within the body, which spread the cancer and qualifies as a botched surgery), and post-surgery follow-ups would have been different as well. They completely ignored the fact that this was *not* benign, even though they kept saying it was.

As for your second sentence about more time elapsing, I don't see how that makes a difference once death occurs. There are plenty of cases out there (successful ones) where the family doesn't detect the malpractice after a year or two. That's when the SOL kicks in, after discovery. And the malpractice they discovered could have occurred 10 years ago. They still brought the suit and won. Furthermore, you can petition the judge to modify the SOL depending on the case. So I don't understand why time elapsing between malpractice and death makes any difference.

"First, would the outcome have been any different had the cancer been discovered earlier?"

Absolutely. She could have received chemo and radiation early, which would have extended her life. The cancer was in the very beginning stages after all. She also would not have gotten 10 centimeter soft tissue tumor in her leg, another mass in her other adrenal gland, enlarged lymph nodes, etc. And therefore, she would not have had surgery on her leg to remove it (which was, in essence, a totally unnecessary surgery had the cancer been eradicated early). It's really this obvious and common sense.

I hope she doesn't pass away, but I am well-armed in case she does. I already have one lawsuit underway for wrongful termination and fraud regarding my previous employer, which will be very successful according to my lawyer. I wouldn't doubt that a med mal suit will be equally successful if such an event happens.

I will say this, however: IF my employment lawsuit goes nowhere by some weird chance, IF my mother passes away, and IF nothing transpires from a med mal suit, I will have no choice but to seek unbelievable personal Justice against that surgeon and make national headlines. Let's just put it that way. My source of support would then be gone, so I wouldn't mind at all spending the next half of my life in jail. As long as I get Justice for my mother in any way, shape, or form if such a hypothetical scenario arises, I would be extremely ecstatic. I have no family of my own anyway, so nobody else would care. Let's see how things go! Very exciting things ahead as I am well embedded in my mid-life crisis!
 

quincy

Senior Member
Let's see...If she passes due to the cancer, once confirmed by autopsy (which is the best thing to do, and I certainly intend on ordering one whenever she passes because that will document all the organs affected), I will definitely consult a lawyer. I would be extremely foolish not to have an autopsy performed in this case.

"you still have to prove that the death was caused by the malpractice. The more time that elapses between the malpractice event and the death, the harder that becomes."

I have an over 50% chance of proving it, which is all that's needed (preponderance of the evidence). Fact is the CT scan in 2022 should have been interpreted as possible malignant cancer, and if this was interpreted this way, more scans would have been done, the surgery would have been done differently (removing the gland *intact* instead of chopping it up within the body, which spread the cancer and qualifies as a botched surgery), and post-surgery follow-ups would have been different as well. They completely ignored the fact that this was *not* benign, even though they kept saying it was.

As for your second sentence about more time elapsing, I don't see how that makes a difference once death occurs. There are plenty of cases out there (successful ones) where the family doesn't detect the malpractice after a year or two. That's when the SOL kicks in, after discovery. And the malpractice they discovered could have occurred 10 years ago. They still brought the suit and won. Furthermore, you can petition the judge to modify the SOL depending on the case. So I don't understand why time elapsing between malpractice and death makes any difference.

"First, would the outcome have been any different had the cancer been discovered earlier?"

Absolutely. She could have received chemo and radiation early, which would have extended her life. The cancer was in the very beginning stages after all. She also would not have gotten 10 centimeter soft tissue tumor in her leg, another mass in her other adrenal gland, enlarged lymph nodes, etc. And therefore, she would not have had surgery on her leg to remove it (which was, in essence, a totally unnecessary surgery had the cancer been eradicated early). It's really this obvious and common sense.

I hope she doesn't pass away, but I am well-armed in case she does. I already have one lawsuit underway for wrongful termination and fraud regarding my previous employer, which will be very successful according to my lawyer. I wouldn't doubt that a med mal suit will be equally successful if such an event happens.

I will say this, however: IF my employment lawsuit goes nowhere by some weird chance, IF my mother passes away, and IF nothing transpires from a med mal suit, I will have no choice but to seek unbelievable personal Justice against that surgeon and make national headlines. Let's just put it that way. My source of support would then be gone, so I wouldn't mind at all spending the next half of my life in jail. As long as I get Justice for my mother in any way, shape, or form if such a hypothetical scenario arises, I would be extremely ecstatic. I have no family of my own anyway, so nobody else would care. Let's see how things go! Very exciting things ahead as I am well embedded in my mid-life crisis!
Wow.
 

Law925

Junior Member
Exactly. WOW. I am NOT the type of person anybody wants to screw around with, legally or otherwise, and I am *relentless* with pursuing Justice. I should have been a lawyer instead of going into healthcare, but maybe I should pursue law if I get enough money from my employment suit. No doubt I would go into medical malpractice using my healthcare experience. Negligent doctors and facilities need to be destroyed by any means necessary. When healthcare in the USA is operated like a business, corruption runs rampant.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Exactly. WOW. I am NOT the type of person anybody wants to screw around with, legally or otherwise, and I am *relentless* with pursuing Justice. I should have been a lawyer instead of going into healthcare, but maybe I should pursue law if I get enough money from my employment suit. No doubt I would go into medical malpractice using my healthcare experience. Negligent doctors and facilities need to be destroyed by any means necessary. When healthcare in the USA is operated like a business, corruption runs rampant.
Are you under a physician’s care?
 
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