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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Florida

A few months ago, I rented a car (Dollar Rent-a-car) with a secondary driver on the contract. Against my wishes, the secondary driver drove the vehicle DUI and was arrested. As is standard procedure in Florida, the vehicle was towed after her arrest. On the police report, no damage was reported to the vehicle or any other property. In fact, it is my understanding that a DUI with property damage in Florida is a FELONY DUI--not a misdemeanor. She was charged with a misdemeanor (and is now on probation for 6 months). Anyways, I went to the towing company to view the vehicle and was refused the right to even see the vehicle. In fact, I could not even retrieve our property out of the vehicle--they stated that the rental car company would have to handle this matter. A few days later, I retrieved the items in the car from the rental car's Lost and Found department.

About a week later, I received notice in the mail that the vehicle was damaged and they wanted to collect approx $600 for repairs, $300 for "loss of rental use" and $100 in administrative fees. They also enclosed a few pictures (very poor quality) showing damage to the passenger side door and mirror of A CAR. And, they showed a picture (separate) of the license plate from the car that was rented.

Upon discussion with the rental company, they refuse to provide me any proof of the vehicle's damage other than those pictures which can easily be fabricated (different car between the tag and the damage pictures). In fact, when I presented that possibility to them, the manager even admitted that they often swap plates between vehicles as part of their regular operations! I asked for proof of the repairs that included documentation of the VIN number of the vehicle being repaired (ie, a repair bill). They stated that they would not comply.

In addition, they stated that they would NOT accept installment payments (I was asking for 3 payments a month apart) to resolve the issue. Instead, they gave me 30 days to pay it in full or they would have my driver's license suspended.

Now the questions:
1) While I realize that the driver broke the law with the DUI and violated the rental contract in the process, what rights do I have? I also realize that if the damage was caused by the towing company, I would probably still be liable. But, their refusal to allow me to see the car after it was towed, along with the towing company not mentioning any damage, and the police report not showing any damage sounds very suspicious to me.

2) License tags do not provide PROOF that the vehicle in question was the one repaired. Only VIN numbers can do this. Do I not have the right to ask for more solid proof than an easily-faked license tag picture?

3) What is the law regarding them being able to have my license suspended? I tried to locate any Florida law that states that this is possible and the only things I found were consumer complaints filed against Dollar Rent a Car where they made this type of threat. Is this real?

4) I was not the driver of the vehicle when the DUI occured (I don't even drink!) What rights do I have as far as collecting the money from the person who actually was arrested? Can't the car rental company go after her?

5) I have offered to make payments, but they refuse to take payments--insisting on payment in full. Doesn't this show that I am attempting to resolve this in good faith to prevent the supposed license suspension?

6) Is there anything I can do to put a delay on them suspending my license in order to try to come up with the money?

Normally, I would just pay this and be done with it. (no sense in filing an insurance claim as my deductible is higher than the claim amount). BUT, I am self-employed and due to circumstances out of my control, I, myself, have several clients in collection. In the last 3 months, I have over $18,000 of money owed to me that has gone uncollectible due to corporations closing their doors and walking away without paying anything. (the lawyers tell me I have no chance, as they drained all of the cash from the businesses and dissolved them). It sucks driving past a $7,500,000 mansion owned by one of my clients each day, but yet he can legally claim his business is broke and walk away from the money he owes me and others!!! Because of this, I simply do not have the money to pay this in full all at once. And, if my license is suspended, causing me to not be able to work, they have no chance of getting their money. (in addition to the obvious issue of driving, I have some federally-required security clearances that require me to have a valid drivers' license--some little-known post-9/11 stuff). It would wind up being a choice between paying $1,000 to the rental car company or paying the rent.

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JETX

Senior Member
Now the questions:
1) While I realize that the driver broke the law with the DUI and violated the rental contract in the process, what rights do I have? I also realize that if the damage was caused by the towing company, I would probably still be liable. But, their refusal to allow me to see the car after it was towed, along with the towing company not mentioning any damage, and the police report not showing any damage sounds very suspicious to me.
Simply, you have the 'right' to pay the damages they claim then sue your friend to recover your 'damages' (the amount you pay due to his/her conduct).
Also, you have the 'right' to expect them to provide some evidence to support their claim. You can bet that they have enough to show the court when they sue you.

2) License tags do not provide PROOF that the vehicle in question was the one repaired. Only VIN numbers can do this. Do I not have the right to ask for more solid proof than an easily-faked license tag picture?
Not true. They only have to provide enough evidence to support their claim and it sounds, from your post, that they won't have any trouble doing so.

3) What is the law regarding them being able to have my license suspended?
If they sue you and get a judgment, they can suspend your driving PRIVILEGE until you pay them in full, plus legal fees, court costs and interest.

4) I was not the driver of the vehicle when the DUI occured (I don't even drink!) What rights do I have as far as collecting the money from the person who actually was arrested? Can't the car rental company go after her?
As noted above, you can pay the claim and pursue your damages against your friend. Or the rental car company can sue BOTH of you... or just you (since you are the 'primary' on the contract).

5) I have offered to make payments, but they refuse to take payments--insisting on payment in full. Doesn't this show that I am attempting to resolve this in good faith to prevent the supposed license suspension?
Nope. Your negotiations are not relevant.

6) Is there anything I can do to put a delay on them suspending my license in order to try to come up with the money?
Yep. You can borrow money from somewhere and pay the judgment.
 
They need to use their heads

I expected what you said, but I had to ask.

These people have to understand the position of the people who they are going after, though. I am NOT attempting to prevent payment of their claim if it is in fact legitimate. And, from my research, there are SEVERAL examples of cases which were proven to be a "damage scam" in Florida. In fact, it looks like the attorney general is investigating that situation with Enterprise Rental Car right now.... So, it IS possible that they are faking damage by just showing license plate numbers. Even the agent at Dollar stated that they DO move tags around between vehicles on a regular basis, so the license plate is totally irrelevant in determining if the actual vehicle was repaired or not. This is simple LOGIC. One can move a license tag. One cannot move a VIN number (without it being a violation of federal law).

I even found out that American Express will NOT pay a damage claim on a rental car unless the rental agency provides an itemized repair receipt WITH THE VIN NUMBER on it. License tags and repair estimates (which is what they sent me) are not acceptible. And, according to my research, Dollar seems to be refusing to provide them with the information, even though the other agencies are complying with their requests. Makes one go hmmmm.....

Anyways, here are my options: 1) Make payments (I'm estimating 3 payments) to resolve this and Dollar gets their money. Getting paid over time is better than not getting paid at all. (hell, I wish some of my deadbeat clients WOULD accept payment plans) 2) File bankruptcy and their collection processes must be halted and they will wind up getting NOTHING because I have no assets left that can be touched and I have much bigger (and higher on the list) creditors than them who will collect first. As for my credit rating, it's ALREADY destroyed because of being so far behind on bills because my clients aren't paying theirs... I do not WANT to file bankruptcy--I want to pay everyone and someday I will be able to when business picks up, but I cannot predict when. But, if I file bankruptcy, it will be Chapter 7, not 11. 3) Let them suspend my license and again, they will not get paid as I cannot work without a valid driver's license. My job requires specific FEDERAL security clearances that evaporate if my license is suspended. (I'm one of those people who has access to "sensitive" security information in my job, as a computer engineer). With the amount of money that OTHER creditors are currently due, if I were to get a "regular" job making normal pay rates, Dollar's payment would not even be on the radar as my other bills would take prescidence (including TAX liabilities). So, again, Dollar would not get paid.

Borrowing money is not an option--there are no lenders that will touch me due to my large amount of uncollectible receivables. I've already tried. And, as my family and friends are also all in similar situations, there are no options there, either. Now, NONE of us are the classic "paycheck-to-paycheck" people. I am a computer engineer. My family all consists of the same type of jobs. All of whom are watching our high-paying jobs being exported to India. NOBODY is hiring for this type of work anymore. Even my PAYING customers are only calling for absolute emergencies anymore. My business is down 80%. My friends are things like mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, aviation professionals, and business owners. But, because of the crappy economy, NONE of us hardly have enough money to even buy food anymore. A year and a half ago, I was paying myself $6000 a month--today, I haven't collected a paycheck in 3 months now--the money I make is going strictly to money that my business owes to others). Why? Mostly because of greedy business owners who have drained all of the cash from their businesses and left the rest of us with nothing. And, the laws down here give me absolutely no leverage to collect money from people who owe money but "claim" that they are broke. It would be REALLY nice if there were laws that had teeth that would allow ME to collect money owed to me just like they are protecting the rental car companies.... Thank you, Mr Bush, for allowing all of our jobs to move overseas and falling asleep at the wheel of the regulators--I hope your oil wells dry up and you wind up in a homeless shelter, yourself!

One more question: you said that THE COURT can have my license suspended if they attempt to sue me. Dollar told me they would sell the debt to a collection agency. Now, like I said, I have every intention to pay the claim if it is proven to be valid. BUT, I will have to make payments. I have negotiated several payment agreements with collection agencies already, so I know it's very possible (and the agencies are EAGER to enter in such arrangements). So, if they send it to collections and the collection agency DOES agree to a payment agreement, am I correct that this would keep it out of court and they would NOT be able to suspend my license? I'm suspect that the (nasty, rude, and completely uncooperative) Dollar rent-a-car collections agent was trying to use scare tactics to prevent the debt from being sold to a collections agency and not telling me the entire truth. The agent REFUSED to give me to a supervisor when I requested it. After arguing with him about that, he finally gave me to someone else who was MUCH easier to deal with and did offer to extend the time they need a bit and indicated that there may be other options...
 
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