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Collecting a Debt on a person hiding behind a single member LLC and a dissolved company. Olmstead decision

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The good news is that you have already proved you are owed the $50,000+/- so you don’t have to do that again. :)

Now you just need to track down your judgment-debtor’s assets so you get paid.

If the original LLC has been dissolved, that is no longer an asset to attach. Your task seems to be to prove that the new LLC is actually the old LLC in disguise. This probably means returning to court.

I believe the best way for you to unmask the new LLC is to find a collection attorney in Florida who has a working familiarity with fraudulent transfers.

That successor liability might be option #3 but is that the path of lease resistance to collect the money especially when I have a personal guarantee from the owner herself?

Many years ago I had a successor liability case that was even stronger than this one but it was almost impossible to prove. I think there was almost zero cases ever proven in the state for successor liability no matter how strong the case.

I think in one case, the successor company was literally the same name as the first company but had like a "2" after it and still the judge would not allow sucessor liability. This was outside of Florida so maybe it was different in that state.

Successor liability may be technically a option but I would prefer to go after the path of least resistance.

Its like you have some Pizza restaurant shut down and open a new one. Then they argue that the original Pizza restaurant was New Jersey style but the new one is more traditional Italian style with a more premium crush and 60% vs 70% hydration and a bunch of technical jargon gibberish.
For gosh sake, Chuck-E-Cheese open up Pizza Business on DoorDash called Pasqually (the name of the Italian guy animatronic). Some Youtuber had to go undercover investigation to find this. Then they claimed it was not the same pizza because Pasqually had "thicker crust, extra sauce and new blends of cheeses and seasonings, giving consumers a more flavorful, more premium pizza experience"

In my experience trying for successor liability is going down the rabbit hole even if its very obvious what the person is doing. Its sort of like winning a lawsuit against a government employee with the qualified immunity. Even if you have the cop caught on camera breaking the law its still almost impossible to win. The courts will be like " is there another case on point with these same set of circumstances" If there is not, then they allowed the qualify immunity. This is a catch 22, because the case law can never get established because there is never a existing case on point.

I have literally seen companies doing that same company under a new name and get away it. There was a furniture store locally that would sell people a " lifetime warranty" on the furniture and they would periodically change the name in order to void those lifetime warranty. So even know its the same store in the same location and even the same salesman, they would be like " That warranty was with another company"

The successor liability( option 3) I think is best as a last resort if all else fails.

The fact that the company # 1 and Company # 2 are both dissolved is an undisputed fact. I don't know if the company paying a fine to be reinstated is retroactive or not. In Park City UT, there was a ski resort in the hands of one company for like 50 years but they had to like renew something with the city and they missed the filing by like 1 day and lost control of the entire mountain. There was no reinstating it after the fact. I don't know if a dissolved company is able to retroactively reestablished that protection after the fact if they pay a fine.
 


If you want to argue that SallyCO #2 should be liable for the judgment against SallyCO #1, you will have to file an appropriate motion or possibly bring a new action - in either case, based on successor liability or alter ego. Once again, you need an attorney.

Why do I need to connect company #1 to company #2 when I have a personal guarantee from Sally Herself? She is operating company #2 now as a single member LLC and the LLC is dissolved by the state.

Tell me, why would this not work?

Florida Supreme Court Rules that Single-Member LLCs Are Not Asset Protected​

"...... a court can force the member to surrender all its right, title and interest in the LLC to satisfy the judgment. This would allow the creditor to seize the LLC’s assets in order to satisfy its judgment."

https://www.deanmead.com/florida-su...t-single-member-llcs-are-not-asset-protected/

I have actually tried to do a successor liability before with an unrelated case and even though I had the facts on my side, it was almost impossible task to prove.

I think that may be another viable option but probably the most difficult one to prove. Proving that one company is basically the same as the other company and they are using the same equipment and making the same products might be getting into the weeds. For some reason this seem to be difficult to obtain even when you are right.

The fact that its a single member LLC of a dissolved company are right on the Florida government website.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Oh my bejeezus!
If you put as much effort into finding an attorney to work with as you've put into trying to prove your case here, you'd be rolling in the dough already!
 

quincy

Senior Member
… The successor liability( option 3) I think is best as a last resort if all else fails. …
Try your options one and two then.

Or, because judgments are good for a long time, you could just wait for awhile until your debtor has accumulated assets that are easier to attach.
 

zddoodah

Active Member
I've been handling legal debt collection matters since the early '90s. Theories are wonderful, but they won't get you squat unless you follow the relevant procedures. Get yourself a lawyer who understands how this works and discuss your theories and how much it will cost to play things out. There isn't anything more anyone online can do for you.
 

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