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jordan&christy

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
Indiana

Sorry. This is long, but I wanted to explain it well:

In November 2009, my wife and I were discussing the possibility of me returning to Ball State University to earn my Master's degree. Because she was out of work, we agreed that my attendance would depend on the cost of classes and the financial aid available.
I filled out an application for admissions, and scheduled a meeting with an advisor, and made it clear that I was there ONLY to estimate costs. I asked her how many semesters it would take and what classes I would need per semester. She gave me the information I needed as well as courses she would suggest for the upcoming semester.
Shortly after our meeting, I found out that I was ineligible for financial aid because I had already earned too many credit hours. Because I was under the impression I hadn't signed up for classes, we decided to try again when we were were more financially stable.
In March 2010, I received a letter from Ball State asking why I hadn't been attending classes and warning me that the last date to drop classes was approaching. Confused, I called the bursar's office to figure out what was going on. They told me I was signed up for classes and owed over $4000. I told her that I never signed up for classes, and explained the situation with asking the advisor to help me estimate costs and the lack of financial aide. The lady from the bursar's office gave me the name and address of a lady and told us to write her a letter explaining this. In light of the misunderstanding, She said she saw no reason they wouldn't let me drop the classes and waive the charges.
My wife and I wrote and mailed the letter within a week of that phone call. A week or so later, I received forms in the mail to fill out explaining the situation and requesting to drop the classes. We filled that out and mailed it in immediately.
A few months later, we started receiving paper bills in the mail for approx $4500. We made additional phone calls and were told I owed the amount regardless.
In October 2010, I received a phone call that Ball State would be sending the account to collections. I told the lady of the situation. She told me she had no record of the letter or paperwork. I told her the name of the person we sent the letter to, and offered to send the letter. She said no.
She called us back a few days ago saying she saw that the letter was sent and classes were dropped, but I still owed the money. She insisted they had sent electronic bills to my student email account and that I should have contacted them sooner if I noticed a problem. I explained to her that i had not been a student since 2006 and assumed I no longer had an active account. I don't even know the password. I had no reason to check it, because as far as I knew, I had never signed up for classes. She insisted that I must pay and that she was sending the bill on to collections.

What should we do now? I truly feel I do not owe this money. And honestly, we don't have $4500 just laying around to pay it. If we had the money, I would have gone to school. I wanted to go to school.
 


Humusluvr

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
Indiana

Sorry. This is long, but I wanted to explain it well:

In November 2009, my wife and I were discussing the possibility of me returning to Ball State University to earn my Master's degree. Because she was out of work, we agreed that my attendance would depend on the cost of classes and the financial aid available.
I filled out an application for admissions, and scheduled a meeting with an advisor, and made it clear that I was there ONLY to estimate costs. I asked her how many semesters it would take and what classes I would need per semester. She gave me the information I needed as well as courses she would suggest for the upcoming semester.
Shortly after our meeting, I found out that I was ineligible for financial aid because I had already earned too many credit hours. Because I was under the impression I hadn't signed up for classes, we decided to try again when we were were more financially stable.
In March 2010, I received a letter from Ball State asking why I hadn't been attending classes and warning me that the last date to drop classes was approaching. Confused, I called the bursar's office to figure out what was going on. They told me I was signed up for classes and owed over $4000. I told her that I never signed up for classes, and explained the situation with asking the advisor to help me estimate costs and the lack of financial aide. The lady from the bursar's office gave me the name and address of a lady and told us to write her a letter explaining this. In light of the misunderstanding, She said she saw no reason they wouldn't let me drop the classes and waive the charges.
My wife and I wrote and mailed the letter within a week of that phone call. A week or so later, I received forms in the mail to fill out explaining the situation and requesting to drop the classes. We filled that out and mailed it in immediately.
A few months later, we started receiving paper bills in the mail for approx $4500. We made additional phone calls and were told I owed the amount regardless.
In October 2010, I received a phone call that Ball State would be sending the account to collections. I told the lady of the situation. She told me she had no record of the letter or paperwork. I told her the name of the person we sent the letter to, and offered to send the letter. She said no.
She called us back a few days ago saying she saw that the letter was sent and classes were dropped, but I still owed the money. She insisted they had sent electronic bills to my student email account and that I should have contacted them sooner if I noticed a problem. I explained to her that i had not been a student since 2006 and assumed I no longer had an active account. I don't even know the password. I had no reason to check it, because as far as I knew, I had never signed up for classes. She insisted that I must pay and that she was sending the bill on to collections.

What should we do now? I truly feel I do not owe this money. And honestly, we don't have $4500 just laying around to pay it. If we had the money, I would have gone to school. I wanted to go to school.
If you never attended classes, then you can't be held responsible for that. After the letter, the issue should have been taken care of. If I were you, I would plan a day to go down to financial aide and sit in front of them, "in their faces," so to say, and get your answers. Take all your paperwork, copies of the letters, and make them resolve this. If it can't be resolved upon a trip to the school, you can dispute the collections of a bill that should not be charged to you. Move up the ranks of people, to the dean, the president - take everyone's name, take a little tape recorder to note what they say, and tell them you did not receive the service, and the bill is not owed.
 

Dave1952

Senior Member
Forgive me but I find this very confusing. You applied for admission to grad school? You were accepted? You did not receive any financial aid? You filled out the "acceptance" paperwork? You were assigned a faculty adviser and you met with him? You then decided that you couldn't afford grad school? You did not withdraw from grad school? You're being billed for the first semester of grad school?
This sounds pretty hard to believe but who knows. Go to see your Chairman. Get a letter from him that he doesn't know who you are and that you are not a grad student in his dept. Take the letter to the Dean of Graduate Studies. Tell him your story. Ask him to contact the Bursar's office and the Registrar's office. He should be able to make this problem go away.
Stop dealing with clerks, go see the Dean.

Good luck
 

justalayman

Senior Member
If you never attended classes, then you can't be held responsible for that.
that's not true. Whether he attended classes or not is irrelevant.

What is relevant is;

how could they charge for classes if you had not actually registered for classes. It really gets down to that: you either registered for classes or you didn't. If you did, you owe if you did not withdraw prior to the date allowed for withdrawals. If you did not register for classes, then you don't owe.

Especially since classes must be scheduled and there are typically various times available for any given class, I do not see how it got this far without the OP actually registering for specific classes.

So, have them show you your registration documents for the classes they are charging you with. That should settle everything.
 

Dave1952

Senior Member
In grad school you often do not take classes. I think that you register as "doing research" or some such. All I recall at this late date is that the University got the same money whether I was taking classes or just hanging out in the lab.
I found the OP's story rather confusing which is why I've asked all of the questions. The premise that he filled out an application and met with an adviser just so he could determine the costs seems strange. Applications cost money to file and anyone in his intended dept. or program should have been able to tell him the cost of his first year of classes.

Good luck
 

justalayman

Senior Member
you're joking, right? You do realize that for something such as a doctor, their pre-med courses don't teach you to be a doctor, right? That is what grad school is for. A pre-law batchelor's doesn't teach you to be a lawyer and on and on.


Yes, there are classes for a masters degree.
Dang, there are classes for a Ph.D. Ph.D. Curriculum - Graduate Programs in Student Affairs - College of Education - The University of Iowa

there is a lot of time dedicated to a thesis (masters) or a dissertation (ph.d.) which is where independent study comes in but there are still classes.
 

Humusluvr

Senior Member
you're joking, right? You do realize that for something such as a doctor, their pre-med courses don't teach you to be a doctor, right? That is what grad school is for. A pre-law batchelor's doesn't teach you to be a lawyer and on and on.


Yes, there are classes for a masters degree.
Dang, there are classes for a Ph.D. Ph.D. Curriculum - Graduate Programs in Student Affairs - College of Education - The University of Iowa

there is a lot of time dedicated to a thesis (masters) or a dissertation (ph.d.) which is where independent study comes in but there are still classes.
In my Master's degree, I had to take 6 "thesis hours" which could be scheduled at any time, but those were my hours to complete my thesis. I could do it during that time, or not, but I had to take 6 hours as part of my program.

Same with my PhD - 9 "dissertation hours" which are usually taken at the end of the program to fulfill the residency requirement.

Doesn't have anything to do with the OP. And sorry, justalayman, I should have said:

If you never registered for classes, then you can't be held responsible for that.
 

Dave1952

Senior Member
I think you missed my point Mr. Justalayman. The registrar's office would see nothing wrong with a grad student who did not register for classes. It's surprising that they did not notice that he was not registered for thesis research though.
Anyway, I still think that his best bet is to try and resolve this internally at the University.
I'm afraid that if he goes the "legal" route he may be found liable for the tuition and fees that he probably agreed to when he submitted all of the paperwork in his acceptance letter. His claim that he is being billed for classes is a red herring, in my opinion.

Good luck
 

Humusluvr

Senior Member
Many of the questions we see in "Education Law" are not really things that need to be pursued legally, but more of a "what do I do" type of question.

I think the whole thing comes down to this statement about the adviser - "She gave me the information I needed as well as courses she would suggest for the upcoming semester."

What I imagine happened was the adviser clicked "Enroll" instead of just navigating away from the page, so she could get an estimate of the costs. This left the OP registered for these classes. The OP never knew he was enrolled, thus never knowing he needed to un-enroll.

This is the adviser's fault, and therefore an issue that needs to be taken up with the adviser's supervisor, up to the Dean, if need be. I could see this being a small claims court issue, if it is not resolved by the college.
 

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