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mjrzok4me

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state? Virginia
We are considering a debt settlement program with Professional Business Solutions, Glendale, CA, www.edebtfree.org. We have about $95K unsecured debt and have had several indepth consultations. Can anyone provide guidance/feedback on personal experiences as to what we could/should realistically expect with this type of program. This company advises they can accept us as clients based on our particular circumstances, seems completely "above board" ... requires a $400 upfront fee only--no other fees; gets paid 25% of what they save us on each of the accounts, ONLY after each settlement has been reached and paid by us directly from our own account. No monies are paid to/held by the company on our behalf; we save the necessary funds in our own account from which we will draw upon to pay settlements once they are agreed upon.

Appreciate any/all feedback on this type of program. (Other background information: we own our home; don't plan to leave it; husband is to retire at 65 in 2.5 years which will result in a definite drop of income.) We will just not be able to payoff these debts.
 


In a word...don't.

Almost all debt settlement companies are scams. It sound like by "saving for settlement" what these guys are telling you is stop paying your unsecured debt and put your spare cash in the bank. Then at some point down the line, these people will negotiate a settlement for you at some percentage of your balances. Have they also said they'll put a stop to the creditors calling you day and night to collect their money?

What will probably happen is that some of the creditors will take longer than others, but eventually all will turn your debts over to collection agencies who will continue to hassle you and will eventually sue you. By that time, your credit will be ruined, and then on top of that you get to pay 25% of what PSA has "saved" you.

Ain't gonna happen that way.

Unfortuneatly, there's no easy fix for this. Declaring Bankruptcy might be a better solution. Talk with a couple BK attornies in your area (most will give you free consultations) about your options. Look for someone who will do more than just fill out the forms...
 
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seniorjudge

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I am very suspicious of these places.

I do not know that one by name; I am just suspicious in general.

If you have good credit and enough equity, either do a refinance or check into a reverse mortgage.

See a good banker or mortgage lender for details.
 

Ladynred

Senior Member
95K of unsecured debt ?? :eek: :eek:

Cmorris said it already - these places will get rich while your credit is totally and thoroughly trashed, you are likely to be sued and they can't help you unless you've 'saved' enough money to make a substantial settlement, you'll have judgments against you and for what ?? So these guys can pad THEIR pockets ??

With that much debt, I'd be RUNNING to a bankruptcy lawyer, at least I wouldn't be worrying about lawsuits or paying for years to come !!
 
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seniorjudge

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mjrzok4me said:
What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state? Virginia
We are considering a debt settlement program with Professional Business Solutions, Glendale, CA, www.edebtfree.org. We have about $95K unsecured debt and have had several indepth consultations. Can anyone provide guidance/feedback on personal experiences as to what we could/should realistically expect with this type of program. This company advises they can accept us as clients based on our particular circumstances, seems completely "above board" ... requires a $400 upfront fee only--no other fees; gets paid 25% of what they save us on each of the accounts, ONLY after each settlement has been reached and paid by us directly from our own account. No monies are paid to/held by the company on our behalf; we save the necessary funds in our own account from which we will draw upon to pay settlements once they are agreed upon.

Appreciate any/all feedback on this type of program. (Other background information: we own our home; don't plan to leave it; husband is to retire at 65 in 2.5 years which will result in a definite drop of income.) We will just not be able to payoff these debts.

Post back with results.

Looks like it was
SCAM 3
DEAL 0
 
Don't fall for the crap about the debtfree place being a .org or nonprofit.
They are a non profit in the sense the cali drug cartel is non-profit.

Some non profits have CEOs making 600 grand "helping the poor, children or drug addicts".

Don't belive me see guidestar.org
Here's a non profit that made 40 million and its CEO makes more than the President of the United States.http://www.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_gsReport=1&npoId=665248
 

Wiser Now

Junior Member
Debt settlement is not a panacea. Bankruptcy is not a cure-all either. Both have pros and cons and you need to evaluate each carefully. Both will trash your credit for a period of time.

There are bad debt settlement companies. There are also some good ones who don't overpromise their services.

To find a bad one, troll the internet for a while. To find a good one, ask around until you find someone who has used one and was happy with the result.

I had a business fail and ran up a lot of debt trying to keep it afloat. I had some very personal reasons to avoid bankruptcy. I had a friend who knew the principals of a small debt settlement company and he recommended them to me as having high character and integrity.

I've used them for almost a year. I'm not out of the woods but I think I am making progress. I think they have been straight with me. One of the first things they told me was that saving up for 3 or 4 years by making a monthly payment into a savings plan probably would not work. Creditors just are not that patient and will at some point sue to collect. I know that a lot of debt settlement companies tell you that it is easy to settle your accounts on the monthly savings plan. It is not. The company is just trying to get some enrollment fees and monthly fees out of you.

A good debt settlement company will not charge enrollment or monthly fees.

These companies cannot do anything for you that you cannot do yourself. Even knowing that I hired one. Why? Because it was worth the cost to me to not have to deal with the collector's calls and to have someone who knew what they were doing.

This is one person who thinks debt settlement companies can be OK -- if you understand all the risks involved and have a reference from someone you know.

Most of the companies you find on the internet are suspect.
 

mjrzok4me

Junior Member
Wiser Now...can you give me the name of the company to which you are speaking of, so that I can check them out myself. Are you a lawyer? How is it working for you? What was your debt load, how long is your "plan" to settle with creditors? What are you paying for the settlement company's services?

Of the companies we have communicated with, the one I first mentioned--Professional Business Solutions (PBS) at www.edebtfree.org--was the most favorable...didn't feel like we were being "smooth-talked"; the consultant wasn't glossing over the "negatives" -- he was pretty straight/forth-coming with all of our questions.

Thanks
 
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seniorjudge

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mjrzok4me said:
Wiser Now...can you give me the name of the company to which you are speaking of, so that I can check them out myself. Are you a lawyer? How is it working for you? What was your debt load, how long is your "plan" to settle with creditors? What are you paying for the settlement company's services?

Of the companies we have communicated with, the one I first mentioned--Professional Business Solutions (PBS) at www.edebtfree.org--was the most favorable...didn't feel like we were being "smooth-talked"; the consultant wasn't glossing over the "negatives" -- he was pretty straight/forth-coming with all of our questions.

Thanks
Y'all need to print this thread.

Read it carefully.

When you find out we were right, post back.

Thank you.
 
Let me try one more time to explain this: there are 4 types of debt correction / elimiination / collection companies. NONE of them are on your side. They all work for the original creditor or the debt collection industry in one form or another. They're known by a bunch of different names and descriptive phrases so it sometime hard to determine what you're dealing with, but here's the way they work.

1. Non-profit, debt settlement company. They call themselves and may even register as non-profit or not-for-profit organizations so that they can take advantage of certain tax laws. They tell you they will arrange for your creditors to charge less interest and eliminate late fees, etc. You're supposed to send them one large check each month, and they will divide it up among your creditors and make your payments. In order to do this, these places actually have agreements with some creditors. They've told the creditor that "some money is better than none" and the settlement company will see to it that you pay every month. In effect, they're collection agencies that work for the creditors...but you pay them. Also, they may not have agreements with all your creditors. The ones that are not included, don't get paid. The ones that don't get paid wind up suing you anyway. Okay, so instead of having 10 bad marks on your credit report, you only have 5. Big deal...your credit is still trashed. And, for the creditors that don't play along, you get to go through the collection process...see item 3.

2. Debt elimination companies. These are the ones that tell you to stop paying creditors, put what money you can afford in a savings account and at some point down the line they will negotiate a settlement with your creditors for a smaller amount. You give them money up front, and they say they'll take a small percentage of what you don't have to pay as settlement. They want the up front money because they know that again, this only works if all your creditors play along. Some of these companies are outright scams. They know that most creditors don't play along, so the just take your money and do nothing. If they do attempt to negotiate on your behalf, only some of your creditors will play along. Most don't. You wind up getting sued by some, have other charge off the account, and even the creditors that do agree mark your credit reports as "Paid for less than agreed". And, all the while that you're not paying your debts you get to go through the "collection process"...see item 3. End result...your credit is trashed.

3. Collection agencies. Most creditors begin by "contracting" their bad debts over to professional collectors. At first, this is done while the creditor still owns the debt so the collector can be mean and nasty and call you at all hours of the day and night and try to intimidate you into paying. If the OC is collecting, they're not bound by the FDCPA and don't need to play nice. A contracted collector gets paid whether you pay or not. After the creditor has tried for about 6 months, they'll "assign" the debt to a professional collector. These guys only get paid if you pay and are bound by the FDCPA, so there are ways to make them play nice. They may agree to take less than the full amount for the debt, but unless you get it all in writing and know all the pitfalls associated with settling debts, they'll "forget" to report it to the orginal creditor or the original creditor will sell the balance to another collector and the whole deal starts over again. If you do pay the assigned collector, your credit report is marked "Paid collection". If you don't pay the "assigned" collector, the creditor may sue. Either way, your credit report is trashed.

4. Junk Debt Buyer. If the orginal creditor can't get you to pay, and the "assigned" collector can't get you to pay or if you settle for less than the full amount, the balance of your debt gets sold to a Junk Debt Buyer. These guys pay pennies on the dollar for the right to continue to hassle you. You don't owe them squat, but that doesn't stop them from giving you a bad time...and, trashing your credit report.


Bottom line. There's NO EASY WAY out of debt (unless you win the lottery). By turning the responsibity for your credit rating over to someone else 99 times out of 100 you wind up with worse credit than you have now. The only simple solution is to declare bankruptcy. Yes, your credit will be trashed for 7 years, but you'll the stress of dealing with your creditors will be done, and you can get on with your life. If BK is not an option then take the time to learn how the game is played, and take control all of this yourself. If you learn to use the FDCPA to your advantage, you may even make a few bucks off the low-life collectors that make their money off of other people's misfortune.
 
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seniorjudge

Guest
olgethorpe said:
Let me try one more time to explain this: there are 4 types of debt correction / elimiination / collection companies. NONE of them are on your side. They all work for the original creditor or the debt collection industry in one form or another. They're known by a bunch of different names and descriptive phrases so it sometime hard to determine what you're dealing with, but here's the way they work.

1. Non-profit, debt settlement company. They call themselves and may even register as non-profit or not-for-profit organizations so that they can take advantage of certain tax laws. They tell you they will arrange for your creditors to charge less interest and eliminate late fees, etc. You're supposed to send them one large check each month, and they will divide it up among your creditors and make your payments. In order to do this, these places actually have agreements with some creditors. They've told the creditor that "some money is better than none" and the settlement company will see to it that you pay every month. In effect, they're collection agencies that work for the creditors...but you pay them. Also, they may not have agreements with all your creditors. The ones that are not included, don't get paid. The ones that don't get paid wind up suing you anyway. Okay, so instead of having 10 bad marks on your credit report, you only have 5. Big deal...your credit is still trashed. And, for the creditors that don't play along, you get to go through the collection process...see item 3.

2. Debt elimination companies. These are the ones that tell you to stop paying creditors, put what money you can afford in a savings account and at some point down the line they will negotiate a settlement with your creditors for a smaller amount. You give them money up front, and they say they'll take a small percentage of what you don't have to pay as settlement. They want the up front money because they know that again, this only works if all your creditors play along. Some of these companies are outright scams. They know that most creditors don't play along, so the just take your money and do nothing. If they do attempt to negotiate on your behalf, only some of your creditors will play along. Most don't. You wind up getting sued by some, have other charge off the account, and even the creditors that do agree mark your credit reports as "Paid for less than agreed". And, all the while that you're not paying your debts you get to go through the "collection process"...see item 3. End result...your credit is trashed.

3. Collection agencies. Most creditors begin by "contracting" their bad debts over to professional collectors. At first, this is done while the creditor still owns the debt so the collector can be mean and nasty and call you at all hours of the day and night and try to intimidate you into paying. If the OC is collecting, they're not bound by the FDCPA and don't need to play nice. A contracted collector gets paid whether you pay or not. After the creditor has tried for about 6 months, they'll "assign" the debt to a professional collector. These guys only get paid if you pay and are bound by the FDCPA, so there are ways to make them play nice. They may agree to take less than the full amount for the debt, but unless you get it all in writing and know all the pitfalls associated with settling debts, they'll "forget" to report it to the orginal creditor or the original creditor will sell the balance to another collector and the whole deal starts over again. If you do pay the assigned collector, your credit report is marked "Paid collection". If you don't pay the "assigned" collector, the creditor may sue. Either way, your credit report is trashed.

4. Junk Debt Buyer. If the orginal creditor can't get you to pay, and the "assigned" collector can't get you to pay or if you settle for less than the full amount, the balance of your debt gets sold to a Junk Debt Buyer. These guys pay pennies on the dollar for the right to continue to hassle you. You don't owe them squat, but that doesn't stop them from giving you a bad time...and, trashing your credit report.


Bottom line. There's NO EASY WAY out of debt (unless you win the lottery). By turning the responsibity for your credit rating over to someone else 99 times out of 100 you wind up with worse credit than you have now. The only simple solution is to declare bankruptcy. Yes, your credit will be trashed for 7 years, but you'll the stress of dealing with your creditors will be done, and you can get on with your life. If BK is not an option then take the time to learn how the game is played, and take control all of this yourself. If you learn to use the FDCPA to your advantage, you may even make a few bucks off the low-life collectors that make their money off of other people's misfortune.

Thank you and lady....this is going into the standard answers on debt settlement programs.

(unless you win the lottery)

Yeah, but the lottery is a tax on people who do not understand mathematics!
 

caliber

Member
The answer is you!

Take one account at a time and review the possibilities. Talk to an attorney*(*competent) before buying into any "program." If you don't wish to dispute the debt, or alleged debt, then settle. That is, if you are behind and in default. If you are current then the cc companies want you on the wheel, paying each and every month. You will only be able to settle when you are in default and many months behind, perhaps after charge-off(180 days). Then they'll listen and threaten. Let your fear give way to knowledge. They will also want to know where your settlement funds will come from. Don't tell them anything that is not their concern. Everything in writing, no phone call commitments at all! The fact that you are open-minded enough to share your plight with this forum means to me, anyway that you can handle this yourself. You will save money and gain an enormous amount of education. Finally, remmember when it comes to debt, you are in control. If you receive any actions against you they will be the ones to prove their claim(s). Just don't sit on your hands and ask a lot of questions. I could conceiveably learn something from your situation.
 

mjrzok4me

Junior Member
Thank you all for your "advice." For us, bankruptcy is not an option. We are studying all our options (minus bankruptcy); will post which way we decide to go.
 
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seniorjudge

Guest
mjrzok4me said:
Thank you all for your "advice." For us, bankruptcy is not an option. We are studying all our options (minus bankruptcy); will post which way we decide to go.
You are welcome and good luck.
 

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