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yessy

Member
What is the name of your state? CA
Do I, as the non custodial parent, have any rights in taking my children to a different religion's church? I was from religion x but now I am learning and enjoying a new religion. I was told by my children's mother that I was not allowed to take them to a different church because they were from religion x. She told me it was against the law for me to do that against her will. Shouldn't I have a right in exposing my children to what I now believe in and what I want to share with them? It's not like I'm teaching them or exposing them to something bad or dangerous. I'm not forcing them they want to go willingly.What rights do I have if any?:confused: Thanks in advance.
 


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nicetryadmin

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yessy said:
What is the name of your state? CA
Do I, as the non custodial parent, have any rights in taking my children to a different religion's church? I was from religion x but now I am learning and enjoying a new religion. I was told by my children's mother that I was not allowed to take them to a different church because they were from religion x. She told me it was against the law for me to do that against her will.
You have the right to take your children to any church you wish. What you do with the children on YOUR time is none of her business.

Why don't you tell her it's against the law to interfere with your parental rights.
 
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Litigation!

Senior Member
yessy said:
What is the name of your state? CA
Do I, as the non custodial parent, have any rights in taking my children to a different religion's church? I was from religion x but now I am learning and enjoying a new religion. I was told by my children's mother that I was not allowed to take them to a different church because they were from religion x. She told me it was against the law for me to do that against her will. Shouldn't I have a right in exposing my children to what I now believe in and what I want to share with them? It's not like I'm teaching them or exposing them to something bad or dangerous. I'm not forcing them they want to go willingly.What rights do I have if any?:confused: Thanks in advance.

My response:

Courts cannot base a custody (or visitation) decision on a parent's religious practices or beliefs absent a clear showing the religious practices are detrimental to the child. [Marriage of Murga (1980) 103 Cal.App.3d 498, 505, 163 Cal.Rptr. 79, 82; Marriage of Urband (1977) 68 Cal.App.3d 796, 797-798, 137 Cal.Rptr. 433, 433-434; see Marriage of Weiss (1996) 42 Cal.App.4th 106, 111-113, 49 Cal.Rptr.2d 339, 342-344--parent may not be enjoined from involving child in parent's religious activities absent clear showing of harm to child; Marriage of Mentry (1983) 142 Cal.App.3d 260, 266, 190 Cal.Rptr. 843, 847 (same); see also Miller v. Hedrick (1958) 158 Cal.App.2d 281, 322 P.2d 231, 233--noncustodial parent could not, during visitation, require child to adhere to religious practices in conflict with those being taught by custodial parent]

Trial courts are quite leery of venturing into religious issues in deciding custody/visitation cases because such action could raise serious First Amendment concerns (free exercise of religion). [See generally, Marriage of Weiss 42 Cal.App.4th at 116, 49 Cal.Rptr.2d at 345-346]

Even where a parent has evidence from teachers, clergy, mental health and medical experts, etc. that exposure to inconsistent religious practices may be causing the children physical or emotional harm (somatic symptoms, behavioral or academic problems, etc.), the likelihood a court will issue an order restricting religious activities or exposure will probably be a longshot. [See generally, Elk Grove Unified School Dist. v. Newdow (2004) 542 U.S. 1, , 124 S.Ct. 2301, 2304--"California cases simply do not stand for the proposition that (father) has a right to dictate to others what they may and may not say to his child respecting religion"

Visitation rights cannot be restricted solely on the basis of a parent's "unconventional lifestyle," the parties' "opposing moral positions" or the "outright condemnation of one parent's beliefs by the other parent's religion" . . . unless there is evidence these factors are detrimental to the child.

IAAL
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
yessy said:
What is the name of your state? CA
Do I, as the non custodial parent, have any rights in taking my children to a different religion's church? I was from religion x but now I am learning and enjoying a new religion. I was told by my children's mother that I was not allowed to take them to a different church because they were from religion x. She told me it was against the law for me to do that against her will. Shouldn't I have a right in exposing my children to what I now believe in and what I want to share with them? It's not like I'm teaching them or exposing them to something bad or dangerous. I'm not forcing them they want to go willingly.What rights do I have if any?:confused: Thanks in advance.
Is there any chance that mom has sole custody or sole legal custody?
 

yessy

Member
We have joint custody. And as I told her and the children I am not forcing my kids but it is my job to let them know what I believe and it is up to them if they want to agree or not. The children were excited after we left church and didn't mind coming with me again. 20 minutes after I dropped them off and their mother spoke with them, they felt like they did something wrong. I spoke to them again and explained that it was not their fault their parents argued.
 

Litigation!

Senior Member
My response:

Yessy, do you at least understand, now, that your ex has been blowing smoke up your pant leg?

Print out what I wrote to you and hand it to her. She's been playing fast-and-loose with what she "believes" is the "law" in order to intimidate you.

IAAL
 

yessy

Member
Thanks!!

:D Thank you sooooooooooo much I went to the link and it is so broad and very informative. It was very helpful.
 
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nicetryadmin

Guest
LdiJ said:
Is there any chance that mom has sole custody or sole legal custody?
What does that have to do with his parental rights? EVen if he didn't have joint legal, he would still have the right to go to the church of his choosing. It doesn't change the fact that he has rights and he can do whatever he wants, as long as it's legal, with HIS children on his time.
 

wtk8j

Member
nicetryadmin said:
What does that have to do with his parental rights? EVen if he didn't have joint legal, he would still have the right to go to the church of his choosing. It doesn't change the fact that he has rights and he can do whatever he wants, as long as it's legal, with HIS children on his time.
I f I am wrong here someone correct me ,but I think what Ldij was getting at is that there is a difference between joint and sole custody. The parent with sole custody is the only parent alowed to make educational,medical and i am not sure but i think religous decisions as well. So what type of custody the ex has would make all the difference
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
But there is a difference between making a decision (i.e. having the child baptised in a religion) and simply having them share in your own activity.

My ex occasionally takes the kids to a church that they are not baptised in (a sacrament we both agreed upon), and I have no problem with it. I DO, however, let the kids know that according to the rules of our Church, they are not to take communion in another church. THAT, I would have a problem with if he insisted.
 
OP's question has ALREADY been answered. All of you should stop because you are making it confusing.

That is how good advice goes wasted.
 

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