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Illinois-
Starting back in September of 2001 I started seeing a specialist, whom I was approved by my insurance and referred to by my primary doctor.

I started seeing this specialist on a regular basis and every visit paid my $15.00 co-payment. About 3 years after my first visit (yes, 3 years) I received a statement from this specialist's office stating that I owed $770.00. When I contacted them about this (I spoke with both the office staff and the specialist) they told me that their previous office staff was never on top of billing the insurance companies in a timely manor, and that since so much time had gone by the insurance would no longer accept the billings from the specialists office, hence telling me that I would now have to pay these charges.

I indicated to them that this was the first time I've ever received any notification of this and that as they could see my co-payments had always been paid. I told them I didn't see how it was my fault that their office never submitted the correct documentation to the insurance company (I have been with the same company for 12 years and have always received pre-approved insurance coverage for this specialist as required by the insurance company).

They then proceded to tell me that the insurance refused payment of these charges, so I asked them for detailed records of each time the bills were submitted to the insurance company and to identify what visits each billing to the insurance company was for. I have asked for this information now 3 seperate times, all requests for this information were sent via certified mail to the specialists office.

Today, now almost 5 years later I receive a letter from a collections agency stating that this account was turned over to them for collection. I contacted the collections agency and explained the entire situation and let them know that I have copies of certified letters and conversations with this office, non of which were ever returned.

Over the past 5 years now, in trying to get to the bottom of this and in requesting the above documentation, I have had several of the office staff tell me that this is nothing new for them and that the previous office staff was just horrible and never followed up with anything. They have notations on my account there of receiving all certified letters, but still to date have never sent me the information I asked for.

Am I responsible for this $770.00? As I mentioned above, I have had full insurance for more than 12 years now with the same company and always followed the correct procedure for obtaining referrals and approvals from the doctors and insurance companies..

What can I do here?
Thank you in advance for any assistance!
Sean
 


What you can do is pay your bill. Yes it is your responsibility. You had services rendered.
After you pay your bill then go to your insurance company and try to get them to pay.
 

Heather2

Member
Have you tried contacting your insurance company to explain the situation? It appears you have disbuted this with the collection agency and that is a good start. If you don't pay it could hurt your credit a tiny bit but if I were you I wouldn't pay because it is their fault.
 

barry1817

Senior Member
sbrennan007 said:
Illinois-
Starting back in September of 2001 I started seeing a specialist, whom I was approved by my insurance and referred to by my primary doctor.

I started seeing this specialist on a regular basis and every visit paid my $15.00 co-payment. About 3 years after my first visit (yes, 3 years) I received a statement from this specialist's office stating that I owed $770.00. When I contacted them about this (I spoke with both the office staff and the specialist) they told me that their previous office staff was never on top of billing the insurance companies in a timely manor, and that since so much time had gone by the insurance would no longer accept the billings from the specialists office, hence telling me that I would now have to pay these charges.

I indicated to them that this was the first time I've ever received any notification of this and that as they could see my co-payments had always been paid. I told them I didn't see how it was my fault that their office never submitted the correct documentation to the insurance company (I have been with the same company for 12 years and have always received pre-approved insurance coverage for this specialist as required by the insurance company).

They then proceded to tell me that the insurance refused payment of these charges, so I asked them for detailed records of each time the bills were submitted to the insurance company and to identify what visits each billing to the insurance company was for. I have asked for this information now 3 seperate times, all requests for this information were sent via certified mail to the specialists office.

Today, now almost 5 years later I receive a letter from a collections agency stating that this account was turned over to them for collection. I contacted the collections agency and explained the entire situation and let them know that I have copies of certified letters and conversations with this office, non of which were ever returned.

Over the past 5 years now, in trying to get to the bottom of this and in requesting the above documentation, I have had several of the office staff tell me that this is nothing new for them and that the previous office staff was just horrible and never followed up with anything. They have notations on my account there of receiving all certified letters, but still to date have never sent me the information I asked for.

Am I responsible for this $770.00? As I mentioned above, I have had full insurance for more than 12 years now with the same company and always followed the correct procedure for obtaining referrals and approvals from the doctors and insurance companies..

What can I do here?
Thank you in advance for any assistance!
Sean

This is a gray area to me, in as much as offices bill insurance as a courtesy to the patient but the bill is still the patient's, but I am deeply troubled by an office that did what they did, and then refused to reply to your letters and sent you to collection.

I would look at the statute of limitations for collection of a debt. If the statute has expired there is nothing that they can do, and any harrassment or attempts to collect after that time could be a cause for action against them.

I would also contact the credit firms and get in writing that this is in dispute so that you will have the comments on your credit report now, rather than later, which might make the ding on your report less.

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ecmst12

Senior Member
If that doctor is contracted with your insurance company, then chances are there is a provision in their contract stating that if a claim is denied for late filing, they CAN NOT bill the patient. This is because in that contract there is likely ALSO a provision requiring them to bill your insurance before they bill you, and requiring them to accept the insurance's determination on the claim(meaning they can't bill you for a denial unless your insurance tells them it's patient responsibility). This is 100% their fault that they didn't get the claim in on time, it shouldn't be your responsibility. But speak with your insurance customer service to find this out for sure.
 

averad

Member
Here is what the OP needs to do CALL YOUR INSURANCE CUSTOMER SERVICE!!!!!!!

If the provider is contracted a standard 12 or 24 month timly filing limit is usually entered. For example in california under some contracts a provider has to submit the bill within 90 days or it will become a total write off.

Honestly how can you go this long without contacting your Insurance they will usually straighten out the provider (because its their contract).

Why would you ever only deal with a Doctor that is billing you years after the services?

Get on the Phone
 
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ecmst12

Senior Member
Most likely they KNOW they can't collect on this bill, so even attempting to is fraudulent. Threaten to report them to the insurance commission (after confirming that they're contracted and bound to the terms your company sets) if they don't cease and desist.
 

ellencee

Senior Member
Sean should read and pay attention to the contract between the specialist and himself. It is very likely he signed a financial agreement with the specialist, agreeing to pay for the services with insurance's being filed as a courtesy and failure of insurance benefits payment not relieving him of his responsibility to pay the bill. (An approved provider is not necessarily obligated to accept only what insurance pays.)

A reasonable and prudent person would have noticed that no statements of benefits paid were received from the insurance company. Sean either didn't notice or noticed and chose to ignore the potential consequences.

EC
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
Not all insurance companies send EOBs when a claim is paid; one plan I worked for only sends them if the claim was denied AND it was the patient's responsibility, unless the patient called and requested it be sent.

Even if the patient signed an agreement with the doctor, a doctor's contract with an insurance company which tells them that they CAN NOT bill the patient, overrides a patient's agreement to pay. The patient can only agree to pay what they legally owe, and if a contracted provider's claim is denied for late filing, then the patient is not legally responsible for the payment. But again, OP needs to check with his insurance company and find out their exact rules.

This kind of thing seriously ticks me off though. Doctors bill patients for things they know they're not allowed to all the time, on the premise that most people will just pay it without asking questions, and it works, so they keep doing it! I saw it all the time when I did insurance customer service, I actually had to report one doctor to the fraud department myself because even after I informed the office that they were not legally allowed to bill the patient for something we denied per their contract, they told me they were going to do it anyway, and the patient had already started making payments. I couldn't believe it...if they didn't like the rates, they shouldn't have signed the contract, you know?

Anyway sorry /rant. Point is, ask questions before you pay a bill you don't understand.
 
First off, thank you to everyone for your comments. Secondly, I'd like to make something clear if I didn't state it already.

1) I am someone that has NEVER been late or missed a payment EVER! When I spoke with the person at the collection agency I told them that I knew they had already done an inquiry on my credit and asked them if there was ANY deliquency whatsover. None!

2) If I would have received something from either the Dr's office or the insurance company I would have followed up on it at that time. Over 3 years went by before I knew there was even any kind of issue here. That day I contacted the Dr.'s office and inquired about this. At first they had no idea of what I was talking about and said they'd get back with me. After 1 month went by, I (not the Dr.'s office) contacted them again looking for some kind of explanation. Nothing. So I contacted the insurance company, they told me I was covered but the Dr.'s office never billed them in a timely manor. Were not just talking a month or even two later, but over a year!

After my conversation with the insurance company and no response from the Dr.'s office, I proceeded to write and send a certified letter asking for all information so that I could assist however possible in correcting this issue they created. My certified letter was received, but I never received a response. Six months later, I attempted another contact with the Dr.'s office, again via certified mail. No response again.

In total I have now sent 3 certified letters to this Dr.'s office with not even as much as a phone call returned to me.

I get a kick out of these people that say "Sean should just pay his bill". I'm sorry, but I've got some principles here and I'm not going to just "pay something" because somebody sends me a bill. I'd hope you aren't like this either, but if you are please send me your address and I'll send you a random bill after 3 years to pay with no explanation.

I just don't think this Dr's actions are correct and I refuse to be just another follower and pay whatever someone sends me without any proper explanation.

Sean
 

ellencee

Senior Member
sbrennan007 said:
First off, thank you to everyone for your comments. Secondly, I'd like to make something clear if I didn't state it already.

1) I am someone that has NEVER been late or missed a payment EVER! When I spoke with the person at the collection agency I told them that I knew they had already done an inquiry on my credit and asked them if there was ANY deliquency whatsover. None!

2) If I would have received something from either the Dr's office or the insurance company I would have followed up on it at that time. Over 3 years went by before I knew there was even any kind of issue here. That day I contacted the Dr.'s office and inquired about this. At first they had no idea of what I was talking about and said they'd get back with me. After 1 month went by, I (not the Dr.'s office) contacted them again looking for some kind of explanation. Nothing. So I contacted the insurance company, they told me I was covered but the Dr.'s office never billed them in a timely manor. Were not just talking a month or even two later, but over a year!

After my conversation with the insurance company and no response from the Dr.'s office, I proceeded to write and send a certified letter asking for all information so that I could assist however possible in correcting this issue they created. My certified letter was received, but I never received a response. Six months later, I attempted another contact with the Dr.'s office, again via certified mail. No response again.

In total I have now sent 3 certified letters to this Dr.'s office with not even as much as a phone call returned to me.

I get a kick out of these people that say "Sean should just pay his bill". I'm sorry, but I've got some principles here and I'm not going to just "pay something" because somebody sends me a bill. I'd hope you aren't like this either, but if you are please send me your address and I'll send you a random bill after 3 years to pay with no explanation.

I just don't think this Dr's actions are correct and I refuse to be just another follower and pay whatever someone sends me without any proper explanation.

Sean
Do you even wonder why businesses like this prey on people like you?
EC
 
Well apparently I'm missing something here. What business's, Dr.'s office or collection agency? Could you please enlighten me...? I must be missing something here...

Thanks
 

ellencee

Senior Member
sbrennan007 said:
Well apparently I'm missing something here. What business's, Dr.'s office or collection agency? Could you please enlighten me...? I must be missing something here...

Thanks
You're missing something? No...not this time. I'm the one who missed! I posted on the wrong thread and I have no idea how it happened!:eek: :D
EC
 

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