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MARIAMYMOM

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A group of ER Drs is trying to collect a balance from 97 & 98 after not being able to collect from insurance (Prudential). They claim they were not participating at that time but did not advise me at the Participating hospital I took my family then until now. Is there a statute of limitation for billing patients after such a long time, I live in Florida. I don't even remember when and why we went to the ER and after trying to request this information I was told it was pay or go to collection agency. Thank you.
 


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Attorney_Replogle

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First of all, the hospital (or whomever it was) that refused to provide you with the information about the debt was wrong to deny you that information. Under the federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA) the creditor or collection agency must provide you written proof of the debt.

I don't know the time limit (Statute of Limitations) in your state for the collection of a debt. Here in California the Statute of Limitations on a written contract is 4 years. I am assuming this is a written contract since it is probable that you signed something when you took your family to the doctors.

You may not be responsible for that debt if indeed the doctors were to be paid by your insurance carrier. Plus, if the doctors/hospital never told you that they didn't participate with your insurance carrier, that may be a defense that you can use.

Depending on the amount of money that they claim you owe, it may be worth your while to consult with an attorney about this matter. You can find one at attorneypages.com.

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Mark B. Replogle
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, Verdana">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MARIAMYMOM:
A group of ER Drs is trying to collect a balance from 97 & 98 after not being able to collect from insurance (Prudential). They claim they were not participating at that time but did not advise me at the Participating hospital I took my family then until now. Is there a statute of limitation for billing patients after such a long time,
I live in Florida. I don't even remember when and why we went to the ER and after trying to request this information I was told it was pay or go to collection agency. Thank you.
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My response:

I know you live in Florida, but for purposes of this response, I will assume you are in California - just to give you a flavor of the law. Your Statute of Limitations on a written contract is 5 years from the date of service, or from the last date of payment on the debt. Hopefully, Florida has a State version of the FDCPA, like California does. Further, I will also assume from your post, that it is, in fact, the E.R. doctor's office attempting to collect the debt on their own, and not a third-party collection agency, because a creditor who collects a consumer debt on its own, generally is subject only to the California Fair Debt Collection Practices Act and Federal Trade Commission Act, and not the "Federal" version of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

The California Fair Debt Collection Practices Act ("State version of the FDCPA"; Ca Civil §§ 1788-1788.32) is California's counterpart to the federal FDCPA. The two laws are similar, but not identical.

The State FDCPA governs collection of "consumer debts" by "debt collectors." [Ca Civil § 1788.2(c),(f)], including those creditors who collect debts for themselves.

If Florida does not have a State version of the FDCPA, then the Federal Trade Commission Act ("FTC Act"; 15 USCA § 41 et seq.) established the Federal Trade Commission ("FTC") and authorizes it to prohibit individuals, partnerships and corporations from engaging in unfair competition, or unfair or deceptive practices affecting commerce. The Act empowers the FTC to regulate both consumer and commercial debt collection practices. [See 15 USCA § 45(a)]

"Unfair practices" are defined as an act or practice that is deemed "unfair" within the meaning of the FTC Act if it causes or is likely to cause a substantial injury to the consumer that cannot reasonably be avoided by the consumer and is not outweighed by countervailing benefits to the consumer or to competition. [See 15 USCA § 45(n)]

In determining whether an act or practice is unfair, the Commission may take into consideration established public policies. However, such considerations may not serve as the primary basis for determining whether an act or practice is "unfair." [See 15 USCA § 45(n)]

The FTC Act is enforced solely by the FTC. Unlike the Federal FDCPA, there is no private right of individual or class actions for violations. [Carlson v. Coca-Cola Co. (9th Cir. 1973) 483 F.2d 279; Holloway v. Bristol-Myers Corp. (DC Cir. 1973) 485 F.2d 986]

In other words, you can complain to the FTC, but you can't sue the creditor under the FTC Act for any violations. The FTC will only take action, on it's own, if there are a large number of complaints against a particular creditor - - which does nothing for you.

IAAL

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[This message has been edited by I AM ALWAYS LIABLE (edited May 25, 2000).]
 
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Attorney_Replogle

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Unfortunately I must disagree with IAAL on the California Statute of Limitations for written contracts. I would send this privately to him via email if he had posted it in his profile.

If I am wrong, please do advise via citations IAAL. However, I know that the two California Code of Civil Procedure sections that are most applicable to this situation are sections 337 and 343. Both of those sections state that the time limit is 4 years, not 5 as you stated.

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Mark B. Replogle
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, Verdana">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Attorney_Replogle:
Unfortunately I must disagree with IAAL on the California Statute of Limitations for written contracts. I would send this privately to him via email if he had posted it in his profile.

If I am wrong, please do advise via citations IAAL. However, I know that the two California Code of Civil Procedure sections that are most applicable to this situation are sections 337 and 343. Both of those sections state that the time limit is 4 years, not 5 as you stated.

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My response:

After re-reading, I can see where I caused some confusion, and I misspoke myself. I put my "California assumption" statement before the actual Florida Statute of Limitations, making it look like I was saying California has a 5-year limitations period for written contracts. Of course, California's limitation is, in fact, 4 years.

I apologize for the confusion this has caused and I appreciate Mark Replogle's notice of error. My error in grammar, I assure you, was inadvertent.

Many thanks Mark for bringing this matter to my attention.

IAAL


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