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Janice Sterling

Guest
My daughter is being evicted from her apartment. The old manager did not complete paperwork in Sept. for her renewal on lease. New manager told her get rid of cats which were not lease. She did. He still gave her 30 day notice. She asked him for copies of rent reciepts and he said he did not have. Can she fight this eviction?
 


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Janice Sterling

Guest
receipts

She did not keep copies of all her rent receipts, that is why she asked new manager for copies as he said it showed she was late paying rent - her reply was she paid on time but prior manager did not post on computer on the day the rent was paid and my daughter wanted computer printouts of when the checks were posted.
 
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Mecoco

Guest
I'm wondering what state you are in and just what is it you are actually wanting to fight. Being asked to move or payment the LL claims were paid late? Was your daughter charged a late fee she didn't pay?
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
Re: receipts

Janice Sterling said:
She did not keep copies of all her rent receipts, that is why she asked new manager for copies as he said it showed she was late paying rent - her reply was she paid on time but prior manager did not post on computer on the day the rent was paid and my daughter wanted computer printouts of when the checks were posted.
HomeGuru response:
Get copies of the cancelled checks.
 
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Janice Sterling

Guest
late fee

Yes she paid the late fee of $75 - we live in California - I live in the San Bernardino area and she lives in West Covina. Apparently several of the units where she lives were designated for low-income housing as she told me one other person has also received an eviction notice and has no place to move - my daughter suffered a mental breakdown two years ago and she is calling a lawyer today I found on the web and also intends to get a letter from her doctor and her social worker - she just recently has gotten off welfare. She says she feels so stressed out that she cannot cope with the situation and wants at least another 60 days so she can have time to look for a place to live.
 
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Mecoco

Guest
Your Daughter

Sounds like your daughter is disabled.....were her animals therapy pets? If so and your daughter has a perscription for them it would be illegal for a landlord to ask a tenant to remove them. But she did comply what else has been going on? Is this retaliation on the landlords part? You need talk to your social worker about this problem and find local agencies in your area that can help your daughter in learning her rights and proper procedures she will need to follow.










 
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LL

Guest
Unless there have been some recent developments that I don't know about, a "therapy pet" is a pet and is not protected by either California law or federal housing discrimination rules.

Does anyone know anything about this for sure?

I know that federal housing rules allow a LL to discriminate against a particular tenant who is a petowner, even if pets are allowed to other tenants, if the owner reasonably determines, based on the pet owner's habits and practices, that the pet owner will be unable to keep the pet in compliance with the pet rules and other lease obligations.

Thus, it sounds to me that this tenant has so many problems that she is out of control of her life, and therefore her problems would require that she NOT be allowed to have the cats, rather than providing her a reason to be protected.

 
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Mecoco

Guest
Re: Therapy Pets

You as a LL need to be more familiar with ADA law and I would also suggest you take some sensitivity course as well.....these are not Monopoly pawns but real people and you seem to feel they are just 'tenants'. We are speaking of their lives and their homes here. Please get over the fact that you are the property owner, this alone does not make you a better or more intelligent person. Youngone the laws are in place and have already been interpreted.
 
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LL

Guest
For Mecoco

Dear Mecoco,

I am somewhat familiar with the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) and do you know what? It only requires accommodation to "service animals", which are animals specifically trained to provide assistance to individuals in performing tasks that the individual with the disability cannot perform for himself, such as
seeing eye dogs, for persons who are blind
alerting persons with hearing impairments to sounds
pulling wheelchairs or carrying and picking up things for persons with mobility impairments
assisting persons with mobility impairments with balance.

Additionally, I already pointed out that the disabled person must be capable of being solely responsible for the service animal. This woman has shown herself unable to keep her committments (having cats which are forbidden by the lease). By the way, she is not being evicted for cats, she got a 30 day notice. If she is being evicted, its probably because she didn’t leave after the notice term. That would be another failure of responsibility.

Did you know that if a seeing eye dog barks during a concert, then even the seeing eye dog can be excluded from the concert hall?

I don’t really want to be antagonistic to you, but I think that you are expecting too much from the experience of renting an apartment. Renting an apartment is a business transaction, and it is based on agreement between the parties as to the details of the terms. These agreements must generally be kept, because both sides have important interests at stake. I think that California law is pretty good, not perfect, but it genuinely tries to assign reciprocal rights and responsibilities to each of the parties. It is important that each party performs their respective rights and responsibilities.

You should be more careful in your research. In another posting, you rushed to direct a would-be tenant to a code section about penalties for landlords.

Fist of all, the code section clearly does not apply. You skipped, carelessly or deliberately, the very first line:

" 1950.5 (a) This section applies to security for a RENTAL AGREEMENT for residential property …"
Section (b) As used in this section, security means deposits, etc, used or to be used for
(1) payment of back rent
(2) repair of damages to the premises
(3) cleaning of premises upon termination of tenancy
(4) defaults by tenant regarding personal property in rental agreement

The rest of the section give things like how much security LL can receive.
What he can use it for, etc.

The ubiquitous section (k) gives possible penalties for landlords who are guilty of bad faith in regard to this "security".

But all of these refer to security deposit as specified in (a) and (b). Is this deposit a security deposit?

You jumped right away to the conclusion that would-be tenant is entitled to get the deposit back. Why?
If the deposit was meant to secure her promise to rent the apartment, then she needed to keep that committment in order to get her deposit back. I asked about, what exactly did her receipt say, but she never got back to us.

You be the judge:
If she says that the deposit was supposed to be refunded regardless of whether she rented the apartment or not (then what was purpose of deposit?),
LL says, it was deposit to hold the apartment until repairs were completed, and then she reneged, leaving him with empty apartment since he took the unit off the market and stopped looking for a tenant,
Receipt says , well we don’t know what the receipt says. We haven’t seen it yet.

What would you decide if you were the judge?
Here are some possible choices:

X Always find in favor of landlord, let him keep the money.

X Always find in favor of tenant, give her the money back, penalize LL.

X Look at the receipt, looking for evidence one way or another for a clue about what was actually agreed upon. Make judgement accordingly.

X Other (specify)

Remember that you, as the judge, are expected to be fair to both sides, you know that holding deposits are legal and serve a legitimate purpose (thats why they are legal).

Don’t forget to explain your decision.

I look forward to your response.

young*
 
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Mecoco

Guest
Youngstr

It has become obvious to me that if I say the glass if half full you will no doubt find it to be half empty. No deposit is non refundable. The person said they had signed nothing which is unfortunate for a LL in situations like these. You will noticed I left a link for the individual to seek their own answer. I assure you I am familiar with this Civil Code. My problem is in the way you respond to the tenants questions. You are very snobbish in your responses. That is why at one point I suggested to you a sensitivity course. No it is not just business when you are dealing with families and their homes. Obviously in my message to you, you failed to pick up my meaning. It is fruitless and I refuse to butt heads with you over this.
 
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LL

Guest
Dear Mecoco,

I apologize for any snobbishness I may have displayed. If you care to tell me in what way, I would appreciate it, else if you prefer to drop the matter, thats quite all right. If I did any such thing, I didn’t intend to do so and I am sorry.

Providing housing for families is the duty of the family members, and I am sorry that I am not able to take on more than the business aspect of being a housing provider. I provide good housing, let tenants know clearly in advance what is expected of them, keep my promises, and don’t cheat anyone. I need my tenants to keep their parts of the agreement and not try to cheat me. I cannot carry on the business of providing this good housing without such cooperation.

From time-to-time, I have had tenants who have tried to take advantage of me and I have developed ways of dealing with them that preserve my integrity, and at the same time helped me to avoid problems, or to be able to resolve them fairly, which includes collecting money which is due to me. I am proud of my integrity, and of my creativity in developing policies which avoid problems. While I have a very strong lease, unusually strong, it does not take away any of the tenants’ basic rights, and it has earned the respect of my local judges. Every clause in it, strong as it may be, provides fair and lawful management of some genuine problem(s) without impairing the rights of the tenants.

I live in a world that involves the give-and-take of ideas and where logic is valued above all else. If my pointing out some other aspect of California L/T law has hurt you, and seems snobbish to you, I offer my genuine apology. But I think that I provide good information, genuinely trying to give an accurate perspective about the problems that come up in this forum, based on what knowledge of the law I have gained over years of experience, my experience in resolving problems in this area, and my experiences in the California courts. I hope that it is thus a good contribution to the forum.

I don’t mean to be contradictory, or snobbish, but I offer the following information to other readers to learn for themselves:

1) On the subject of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), see the web site:
http://www.usdoj.gov:80/crt/ada/animal.htm

2) The following is an abbreviation of California Civil Code 1950.5:

1950.5. (a) This section applies to security for a rental agreement for residential property that is used as the dwelling of the tenant.

(b) As used in this section, "security" means any payment, fee, deposit or charge, including, but not limited to, an advance payment of rent, used or to be used for any purpose, including, but not limited to, any of the following:
(1) The compensation of a landlord for a tenant's default in the payment of rent.
(2) The repair of damages to the premises, exclusive of ordinary wear and tear, caused by the tenant or by a guest or licensee of the tenant.
(3) The cleaning of the premises upon termination of the tenancy.
(4) To remedy future defaults by the tenant in any obligation under the rental agreement to restore, replace, or return personal property or appurtenances, exclusive of ordinary wear and tear, if the security deposit is authorized to be applied thereto by the rental agreement.

I skip to subsection (k):
The reader should judge for himself what deposits are covered by this section, as explained in (a) and (b):

(k) The bad faith claim or retention by a landlord or the landlord's successors in interest of the security or any portion thereof in violation of this section, or the bad faith demand of replacement security in violation of subdivision (i), may subject the landlord or the landlord's successors in interest to statutory damages of up to
six hundred dollars ($600), in addition to actual damages. The court may award damages for bad faith whenever the facts warrant such an award, regardless of whether the injured party has specifically requested relief. In any action under this section, the landlord or the landlord's successors in interest shall have the burden of proof
as to the reasonableness of the amounts claimed or the authority pursuant to this section to demand additional security deposits.

The next subsection is also part of CCC 1950.5 and the reader should judge for himself what deposits are covered under it.
Also the reader should ask himself, what is the difference between "No deposit is non refundable" and the statement of subsection (l)

(l) No lease or rental agreement shall contain any provision characterizing any security as "nonrefundable."


Once again, I apologize for any offensiveness you may feel that I have created. You and I are evidently interested in the same subject, and I would like to be your friend.

youngetc
 
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Janice Sterling

Guest
Suing

Thks for everyone's help - my daughter has a thyroid disorder but doc does not think it disablity - no she is just attached to the dog and the dog was in the lease - because of various statements by new manager and former manager and the fact manager never gave her copy of new lease, she went and saw a lawyer today (1/16) who told them there are no grounds for eviction since dog was in the lease so lawyer filing papers on landlord - believe she will win this one
 

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