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Exploitatuion of vulnerable adult

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nmillerhhi

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Oklahoma

My husband was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given weeks to live. Because of normal winter layoffs, our emergency funds were almost gone. We were finishing the trial period for a loan modification. Part of our agreement was that all payments were to be made on time or foreclosure would start. We didn't have the money for the last payment as well as other bills. His son was going to loan us the money to be repaid from life insurance. It was going to take a couple of weeks for him to get the money and the bank agreed to that as long as the payment was made by the end of the month. My husband's sister found out about it. She called and told us that it would be faster for her to borrow the money from the bank for us. She said she could borrow $3000 but would like us to give her $500 of that for her personal needs. She told us she had worked this out with my stepson. She called my stepson and said she had worked all this out with us.

She called back and said the bank wanted collateral. She asked if she could use our camper as collateral. My husband told her that was fine since it was paid for. She arrived that night from Texas. The next morning, she had a list of paperwork that she said the bank was requiring on the camper so she could use it as collateral. This was the bill of sale, title, etc. I was very uncomfortable but my husband told me his sister was trying to help us out and to do it. I signed the camper over to her. She had told my stepson (and us) that as soon as he got the money that he was going to loan us, he could give it to her and pick up the camper. She threw my husband's clothes out on the ground and left with the camper and contents, including an AT&T Uverse box that I had to pay for.

My husband and I are well educated and normally know not to sign those papers. However, he was dying and I was caring for him, mostly alone, from a wheelchair. I was sleep deprived and trying to deal with financial stuff, Hospice, etc while watching my husband die. I was easy to take advantage of I guess.

When my stepson called her to find out how much money he needed to get it back, she laughed and said they had completely remodeled it and he couldn't afford it. When he expressed shock, she laughed again and just said "cool, huh? I have a camper." She hung up on him.

A friend called Adult Protective services. They investigated it and validated it as Exploitation of Vulnerable Adults. She told them she was making monthly payments but couldn't supply canceled checks or other proof. All they did was give me a document showing it was a valid charge. The police would not write a report because they said I sold it to her and collecting the money was civil matter. The District Attorney wouldn't take it because there was no police report. I couldn't find an attorney to take it because it wasn't enough money. They told me to take nit to small claims court.

I sent letters to her, her adult daughter (who accompanied her here) and her husband offering to work out a settlement if they would contact me. Her husband just got back from a deployment with the Naval Reserves. I told them that it was fraud, exploitation and remodeling the camper to disguise its appearance.

Is small claims court the best place for me to take this? I understand I may not be able to include pain and suffering. My husband cried every time she lied to him and then started refusing to take his calls. My stepson came from Texas with his kids' ATVs and sold them for a fraction of their value on Craigslist for cash to give us.

Is there any advice, words of wisdom, suggestions, etc that any of you can give me. I'm within the statute of limitations. Everything was done here in OK although she took the camper to Texas where she lives. Is this the proper court to go through?
 


Proserpina

Senior Member
Hopefully Arkansas is the proper venue - if it's Texas, your chances of collecting the debt are unfortunately round about zero (Texas is as a rule remarkably debtor-friendly, with regular creditors being unable to garnish wages and with there being very generous exemptions to what you can and can't take).

Since the contract itself took place in Arkansas, it should be the place to sue.

Before we go further though, can you be specific about who was called to complain about the vulnerable adult?
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Sue for what? The OP is not a vulnerable adult and the OP is the one that sold the vehicle.
 

nmillerhhi

Junior Member
Exploitation of vulnerable Adult

Hopefully Arkansas is the proper venue - if it's Texas, your chances of collecting the debt are unfortunately round about zero (Texas is as a rule remarkably debtor-friendly, with regular creditors being unable to garnish wages and with there being very generous exemptions to what you can and can't take).

Since the contract itself took place in Arkansas, it should be the place to sue.

Before we go further though, can you be specific about who was called to complain about the vulnerable adult?

I am in Oklahoma, not Arkansas, but I was told that since it all took place here, that this was the proper place to go to court

Adult Protective Service, a division of the Department of Human Services like Child Protective Services, was the agency called. They did a lot of tests on each of us to determine our state of mind in order to determine whether we qualified as vulnerable adults. They decided that we both were. Their statement to me was that the extreme stress we were under made us vulnerable to a family member to exploit us under the guise of helping us. They said it was not unusual. She told the investigator that she purchased the camper, made a down payment and was making monthly payments to us. She was unable to produce cancelled checks or other documentation to prove this.

I am including her husband on the suit since he was involved and completely remodeled the camper. He is active in the Naval Reserve and was just promoted to Master Chief. I have a friend who is a Captain in the Army and deals with this sort of thing. If I get a judgment, she will contact his superior officer who will order him to pay it no matter what state he are in. I now that the military frowns on unpaid debts like this.

They have the camper and we received nothing.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Sue for what? The OP is not a vulnerable adult and the OP is the one that sold the vehicle.

I know this....but I'm somewhat curious.

How the OP was designated to be a "vulnerable adult", I do not know - but further, if she was, why didn't social services actually DO anything? It's not as if they'll just give you a label and that's that...y'know?
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
I am in Oklahoma, not Arkansas, but I was told that since it all took place here, that this was the proper place to go to court

Adult Protective Service, a division of the Department of Human Services like Child Protective Services, was the agency called. They did a lot of tests on each of us to determine our state of mind in order to determine whether we qualified as vulnerable adults. They decided that we both were. Their statement to me was that the extreme stress we were under made us vulnerable to a family member to exploit us under the guise of helping us. They said it was not unusual. She told the investigator that she purchased the camper, made a down payment and was making monthly payments to us. She was unable to produce cancelled checks or other documentation to prove this.

I am including her husband on the suit since he was involved and completely remodeled the camper. He is active in the Naval Reserve and was just promoted to Master Chief. I have a friend who is a Captain in the Army and deals with this sort of thing. If I get a judgment, she will contact his superior officer who will order him to pay it no matter what state he are in. I now that the military frowns on unpaid debts like this.

They have the camper and we received nothing.

So what is DHS doing about the transaction?

And precisely what do you intend to do once the Master Chief is removed from the suit as it has absolutely nothing to do with him? And your friend thinks that somehow the Reservist will be forced by the Army to pay a civil debt?

Someone, somewhere, is terrifically confused. Or flat out lying.
 

dcatz

Senior Member
Ok, I’ll admit to being one of those confused. What do you want out of a judgment? I can understand how APS could find “undue influence” and categorize you as “vulnerable adults”. Will you have to establish that again to the Court?

I’m basically comfortable with the opinion that you have “standing” to sue and in OK, but what do you desire to accomplish with the judgment? Do you want a money judgment? (Small Claims can give you that, ‘tho it’s very hard to enforce in Texas, as Proserpina implied.) Do you want a right of replevin and to take back the camper? (Again, hard to enforce and, all other things being equal, more costly.) Do you want a right of equitable rescission to “unwind” the contract? Maybe most prudent, but OK Small Claims isn’t the right court.

Have you considered the assistance of OK Court Appointed Advocates for Vulnerable Adults Association (OCAAVAA)? They might help, if you have to re-establish status.

I agree with your conclusion that JAG can be of great assistance in enforcing legal obligations of the military, but I also agree with Proserpina about the likelihood of establishing liability of the spouse. I also think that an effort to do so undermines the undue influence argument.

I hope that you work it out. Good luck.
 

nmillerhhi

Junior Member
exploitation of vulnerable adult

Ok, I’ll admit to being one of those confused. What do you want out of a judgment? I can understand how APS could find “undue influence” and categorize you as “vulnerable adults”. Will you have to establish that again to the Court?

I’m basically comfortable with the opinion that you have “standing” to sue and in OK, but what do you desire to accomplish with the judgment? Do you want a money judgment? (Small Claims can give you that, ‘tho it’s very hard to enforce in Texas, as Proserpina implied.) Do you want a right of replevin and to take back the camper? (Again, hard to enforce and, all other things being equal, more costly.) Do you want a right of equitable rescission to “unwind” the contract? Maybe most prudent, but OK Small Claims isn’t the right court.

Have you considered the assistance of OK Court Appointed Advocates for Vulnerable Adults Association (OCAAVAA)? They might help, if you have to re-establish status.

I agree with your conclusion that JAG can be of great assistance in enforcing legal obligations of the military, but I also agree with Proserpina about the likelihood of establishing liability of the spouse. I also think that an effort to do so undermines the undue influence argument.

I hope that you work it out. Good luck.

Actually, my preference would be to get the camper back and my stepson would go get it for me. He lives in Texas.

I don't know why DHS didn't do anything. The case worker said they couldn't' do anything without a police report but the police wouldn't write one because they said it was a contract issue despite what DHS said.

I made a number of calls to law offices. The receptionists were telling me they didn't handle cases like this and wouldn't take a message. I had one attorney call me back. He said that DHS really let us down, leading to lack of help from the police dept and the DA. It wasn't enough money for him to take the case but he told me to go to Small Claims court.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Actually, my preference would be to get the camper back and my stepson would go get it for me. He lives in Texas.

I don't know why DHS didn't do anything. The case worker said they couldn't' do anything without a police report but the police wouldn't write one because they said it was a contract issue despite what DHS said.

I made a number of calls to law offices. The receptionists were telling me they didn't handle cases like this and wouldn't take a message. I had one attorney call me back. He said that DHS really let us down, leading to lack of help from the police dept and the DA. It wasn't enough money for him to take the case but he told me to go to Small Claims court.

But Small Claims cannot undo the contract - all that Small Claims is going to see is a simple sale between two parties, and one party wants a do-over.

They really can't rule in your favor, and the military quite bluntly isn't going to care one way or another.
 

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