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"For Deposit Only" on a joint account - still married

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oneduckyday

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
CA

My husband and I separated less than a month ago. We have a joint account. A check from his school came and I deposited it into our joint account with "For deposit only." Now he is claiming that he is going to file charges against me.

Note - I did transfer most of the money out once it cleared. However, the manner of deposit was as explained above.

If he filed charges, what would happen and if it went to court, how would it look??
 


Proserpina

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
CA

My husband and I separated less than a month ago. We have a joint account. A check from his school came and I deposited it into our joint account with "For deposit only." Now he is claiming that he is going to file charges against me.

Note - I did transfer most of the money out once it cleared. However, the manner of deposit was as explained above.

If he filed charges, what would happen and if it went to court, how would it look??

And to where did you transfer the money?

Did the check arrive in his name only? After you were separated?
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
Depending on the source of the money, you could be responsible for it. Some educational money has designated usage attached.
 

oneduckyday

Junior Member
The money went to an individual account and went to pay bills. However we have a substantial savings so I think that he could claim that I didn't need it for bills.
It came after he left, but he had not claimed all his belongings from our residence yet.

It was grant money I believe. For my grant money its basically is like cash.
 
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Proserpina

Senior Member
The money went to an individual account and went to pay bills.
It came after he left, but he had not claimed all his belongings from our residence yet.

It was grant money I believe. For my grant money its basically is like cash.


So you opened his mail, and deposited his check - without permission - into your joint account before transferring the money into an account to which he had no access.

Is that correct?
 

oneduckyday

Junior Member
So you opened his mail, and deposited his check - without permission - into your joint account before transferring the money into an account to which he had no access.

Is that correct?
Yes. We are married, so the mail and depositing the check are not a crime, right? I did not forge his signature.
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
Opening his mail is a federal offense.

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/1702.html
Sec. 1702. Obstruction of correspondence
Whoever takes any letter, postal card, or package out of any post office or any authorized depository for mail matter, or from any letter or mail carrier, or which has been in any post office or authorized depository, or in the custody of any letter or mail carrier, before it has been delivered to the person to whom it was directed, with design to obstruct the correspondence, or to pry into the business or secrets of another, or opens, secretes, embezzles, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
 
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Proserpina

Senior Member
Yes. We are married, so the mail and depositing the check are not a crime, right? I did not forge his signature.


Congratulations. You just committed a federal offense.

Technically, you may get away with depositing the check. Someone else will probably address that.

The court certainly won't be impressed. And your husband has every right to file to recover that money.
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
I did find another reference saying the local federal prosecutor makes the decision of when, or if, to prosecute and what charges to seek. This was what prompted my suggestion to return the money PDQ.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
I did find another reference saying the local federal prosecutor makes the decision of when, or if, to prosecute and what charges to seek. This was what prompted my suggestion to return the money PDQ.


The decision of whether or not to prosecute always falls to the DA/PA. But even returning the money wouldn't necessarily save the OP. Think of it like a shoplifter who gets caught, but returns the goods afterwards; they can still be convicted of shoplifting.

My question is more about whether she had the right to actually deposit the check or not and then transfer the funds, without the consent/knowledge of her husband.

I'm actually hanging on for one or two people in particular to chime in here because there has been a very recent thread touching on a similar premise.
 
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nextwife

Senior Member
I'd be really surprised if the committee that awarded him the grant intended it so a STBX could swip it from the mail and pay bills with it.
 

mistoffolees

Senior Member
The decision of whether or not to prosecute always falls to the DA/PA. But even returning the money wouldn't necessarily save the OP. Think of it like a shoplifter who gets caught, but returns the goods afterwards; they can still be convicted of shoplifting.
I'm not going to look it up because it doesn't really matter, but I thought I read somewhere that the Postmaster General had the authority to prosecute criminal mail offenses without a local DA/PA. It doesn't matter because OP committed a federal crime and it is possible that she could be prosecuted and convicted, but I really doubt that anyone wants to get into the "what are the odds?" game.

My question is more about whether she had the right to actually deposit the check or not and then transfer the funds, without the consent/knowledge of her husband.

I'm actually hanging on for one or two people in particular to chime in here because there has been a very recent thread touching on a similar premise.
Three issues:
1. Was the check deposit illegal?
It all comes down to the check and what it was for and how it was written. For most checks (such as a paycheck), depositing it into a joint account without signing his name is perfectly acceptable and no charges would be filed (but see below). However, SOME checks involve conditional endorsement where you are affirming some set of facts by endorsing the check. For example, the check might say "by depositing this check, you affirm that you are the person whose name is on the check" or other conditions. If OP is in violation of the conditions, she can be charged with theft.

Conditional endorsements often occur with retirement checks (which is the situation that came up in the other thread). OHRW says that it may be the case with a 'school check' but I'm not as familiar with those, so I don't know how common that would be. In the end, though, it comes down to how the check was written and whether there were conditional endorsements.

2. If OP had actually signed the other person's name, that would be fraud. Being married does not give you the right to sign the other person's name to a document. You can sign their name with the appropriate information (such as "John Jones by Jane Jones", IIRC, but simply signing his name is wrong. However, that doesn't seem to apply here - OP signed "for Deposit Only" which is perfectly OK (as long as the conditional endorsement in #1 doesn't apply.

3. The bigger issue is misappropriation of marital funds. OP took money that was AT BEST marital and possibly solely the other person's money and transferred it into her own personal account. She will certainly be required to account for that money.
a. If the money was his separate money, she will probably have to return it, even if she used it for marital expenses.
b. If the money was marital, she will have to account for it. If it was used for normal living expenses, marital bills, or legal expenses, then it may not be an issue in the end, but she will still need to provide an accounting.
 

Bali Hai

Senior Member
The decision of whether or not to prosecute always falls to the DA/PA. But even returning the money wouldn't necessarily save the OP. Think of it like a shoplifter who gets caught, but returns the goods afterwards; they can still be convicted of shoplifting.

My question is more about whether she had the right to actually deposit the check or not and then transfer the funds, without the consent/knowledge of her husband.

I'm actually hanging on for one or two people in particular to chime in here because there has been a very recent thread touching on a similar premise.
I'm glad you waited for me.

It's interesting that OP commits the act prior to asking questions and thinking about the consequences.

Pulling stunts like this is what turns an amicable divorce into War of the Roses.
 

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