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Getting out of Deployment
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Okay, lets see if I understand this correctly....Crazed98 said:
You have 'enjoyed' the benefit of Guard duty, including:
- Health Care
- Disability Benefits
- Education & Training
- Vocational Rehabilitation & Employment
- Home Loans
- Life Insurance
- Burial Benefits
- Dependents' and Survivors’ Benefits
And more:
http://www.goang.com/about/aboutang_benefits.aspx
And now want to weasel out when the 'bill comes'. Correct??
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Well JETX those benifits are good and all but only if they benifit me whitch they don't.
Health Care and Disability Benefits National Gaurd doesn't get unless you get hurt doing a National Gaurd drill.
Education & Training you can't really get when you are deployed overseas in combat ares.
Not sure exactly what Vocational Rehab is but thats enough to show that I have no use for it.
Employment they don't have the greatest employment opportunities unless you want to be Active National Gaurd which is not for me.
Home loans don't need because I'm not buying a house.
Life Insurance and Death Benifits I don't plan on dying but just incase I do I already have a policy.
Dependents' and Survivors’ Benefits I have no dependents.
And If I did plan on killing myself I would use something a lot better than just a 9mm. I've seen people shot with a 9mm in the head and were still walking around. Plus, theres to much paper work to go through to get a 9mm or any handgun for that matter in the state of New Jersey.
Health Care and Disability Benefits National Gaurd doesn't get unless you get hurt doing a National Gaurd drill.
Education & Training you can't really get when you are deployed overseas in combat ares.
Not sure exactly what Vocational Rehab is but thats enough to show that I have no use for it.
Employment they don't have the greatest employment opportunities unless you want to be Active National Gaurd which is not for me.
Home loans don't need because I'm not buying a house.
Life Insurance and Death Benifits I don't plan on dying but just incase I do I already have a policy.
Dependents' and Survivors’ Benefits I have no dependents.
And If I did plan on killing myself I would use something a lot better than just a 9mm. I've seen people shot with a 9mm in the head and were still walking around. Plus, theres to much paper work to go through to get a 9mm or any handgun for that matter in the state of New Jersey.
Well then , maybe you shouldn't have bothered to join. My mother had a saying, "When you give a dance, you have to pay the band." Time to pay up sonny.
They do PAY you for your drill weekends.
If you really want out of the deployment, I suggest breaking your leg. Just make sure you can make it look like an accident.
It would surely suck more than combat to be in Leavenworth with a cast on your leg, when they discover that you've done it on purpose and label you a malingerer.
That should be a lesson for you. Next time don't try to get something for nothing.
They do PAY you for your drill weekends.
If you really want out of the deployment, I suggest breaking your leg. Just make sure you can make it look like an accident.
It would surely suck more than combat to be in Leavenworth with a cast on your leg, when they discover that you've done it on purpose and label you a malingerer.
That should be a lesson for you. Next time don't try to get something for nothing.
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Shay-Pari'e
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https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=241809
He has now taken on advising people to defraud the government also.
He has now taken on advising people to defraud the government also.
Well thanks for your speedy replies Snipes5 and rmet4nzkx but I'm not really into self mutilation and belive it or not NYC is not as dangerous as you might think.
But to answer your question I joined the national gaurd so that I can go to school. I first was going to join the army or marines but then relized that if I did 6 years (to get full benifits) then 4 years of college that would be 10 years and I definatly didn't want to make a commitment like that.
So I thought about the reserves but there were hardly any educational benifits there but the NJNG had some decent educational benifits.
When I enlisted it was after 9 11 and I was well aware that we were at war but my recruiter had told me NG doesn't get deployed which is mostly true because the last time NJNG was deployed it was WWII.
The NG is supposed to be used for state emergencies but since some people such as Bush feel we need to "spread freedom to the dark corners of the world" they have streached our military resources so far that they are deploying and REDEPLOYING NG.
Which is you ask me is wrong because the people who join NG did not join to be deployed for long periods of time away from their family and jobs. A lot who are deployed take great pay cuts and it usually screws up their life in some way or another. They joined to serve their country while being able to be a citezen and live a non-military life.
Yes Snipes5 we do get paid for our weekend drills but it hardly anything I get about $160 a weekend to wake up at 5am on Saturday and drive 2 hours to usually sit around and do nothing then go home around 6pm and come back Sunday and do the same thing. But thats what I volenteered for so thats what I'll do without complaining.
And Snipes5 you should know more about someone before calling them a stupid coward because I am infact not a stupid coward.
January 20 2005 I was notified that I was going to be activated Jan 21 2005 and that I was to go to NY start training Jan 24 2005 (a day before I was supposed to start my second semester of college). Then March 27 2005 I would be deployed to Iraq. So here I am in Iraq for anywahere from a year to a year and a half serving my country.
The problem is my unit will be reactivated 2008 and I will still be enlisted which will mean I will have stop school again and come here again to do absolutly nothing. Which is just wasting the good taxpayers such as your self's money.
If you ask me using the money to go to college and become educated and becoming a positive influence on society is much better than using the money to pay me to sit on my ass 12 hours a day 7 days a week like sitting ducks with the possibility of me coming home in a body bag or me coming home minus an arm or a leg.
Thats why I am trying to find a legal way to get out of being deployed again so I can go to college and get on with my life. Because of all the army training and this deployment I have only had one semester of college unlike the people I graduated HS with who will be seniors in college by the time I am done here.
But to answer your question I joined the national gaurd so that I can go to school. I first was going to join the army or marines but then relized that if I did 6 years (to get full benifits) then 4 years of college that would be 10 years and I definatly didn't want to make a commitment like that.
So I thought about the reserves but there were hardly any educational benifits there but the NJNG had some decent educational benifits.
When I enlisted it was after 9 11 and I was well aware that we were at war but my recruiter had told me NG doesn't get deployed which is mostly true because the last time NJNG was deployed it was WWII.
The NG is supposed to be used for state emergencies but since some people such as Bush feel we need to "spread freedom to the dark corners of the world" they have streached our military resources so far that they are deploying and REDEPLOYING NG.
Which is you ask me is wrong because the people who join NG did not join to be deployed for long periods of time away from their family and jobs. A lot who are deployed take great pay cuts and it usually screws up their life in some way or another. They joined to serve their country while being able to be a citezen and live a non-military life.
Yes Snipes5 we do get paid for our weekend drills but it hardly anything I get about $160 a weekend to wake up at 5am on Saturday and drive 2 hours to usually sit around and do nothing then go home around 6pm and come back Sunday and do the same thing. But thats what I volenteered for so thats what I'll do without complaining.
And Snipes5 you should know more about someone before calling them a stupid coward because I am infact not a stupid coward.
January 20 2005 I was notified that I was going to be activated Jan 21 2005 and that I was to go to NY start training Jan 24 2005 (a day before I was supposed to start my second semester of college). Then March 27 2005 I would be deployed to Iraq. So here I am in Iraq for anywahere from a year to a year and a half serving my country.
The problem is my unit will be reactivated 2008 and I will still be enlisted which will mean I will have stop school again and come here again to do absolutly nothing. Which is just wasting the good taxpayers such as your self's money.
If you ask me using the money to go to college and become educated and becoming a positive influence on society is much better than using the money to pay me to sit on my ass 12 hours a day 7 days a week like sitting ducks with the possibility of me coming home in a body bag or me coming home minus an arm or a leg.
Thats why I am trying to find a legal way to get out of being deployed again so I can go to college and get on with my life. Because of all the army training and this deployment I have only had one semester of college unlike the people I graduated HS with who will be seniors in college by the time I am done here.
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
Then you should have financed your own schooling.
rmet4nzkx said:
I recieved a total of 6 credits for my 8 months of training and I work 12 hours a day so there is little time for me to be taking online courses it is especially harder to recieve all the info and do all the paper work to strat online classes from a combat zone.
From that, I take it you did benefit from your enlistment.... by having MY tax dollars pay for your education, right???Crazed98 said:
Yep, just as I suspected.
And of course, that isn't true. The National Guard has been deployed several times since WWII....
More than 138,000 Guardsmen were mobilized for Korea, followed by numerous smaller mobilizations for the Berlin Crisis, Vietnam, and numerous strikes and riots at home. Approximately 63,000 Army Guardsmen were called to serve in Desert Storm....
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Braving the sniping...
Perhaps it should be pointed out that the first post asked how to get out of deploying "legally." Now, there could be long arguments about how legality interfaces with ethics, etc. but perhaps a more pragmatic approach would be useful. People have been "dodging" orders for ages quite legally.
"Hardship" was mentioned. Well, if you have a case to make that you qualify for a hardship exemption then make it. No harm there as long as you don't lie on your application. The military may or may not approve your request, depending on the circumstances.
"Braces" and such is a more difficult question. If you need a medical procedure (i.e. advised by a doctor) that disqualifies you, then so be it. However, there are probably rules/laws against having *elective* surgeries that disqualify you. Thus, if you really need braces (and have just put off getting them for some reason) and can get a Dr. to certify that you need them, you could do that. However, if just get them and don't need them you could line yourself up for a world of hurt [ myself, I'd prefer a tour in Iraq to dental torture... ].
"up and out" is an age old tactic. Basically, you sign up for some career enhancing/vital skill or school that gets you out of recall. Commissioning programs are famous for this. Sign up for ROTC. However, be mindful that if you sign for more obligations you may just be getting yourself in deeper. The Army/ Guard may or may not approve of such a move. You could also agree to study something like Arabic or Islamic Studies to help make your case for staying more powerful. HOwever, if you acquire a 'vital' skill it will make you that much more in demand later down the road if you still have obligations left.
Self injury is among the most illegal and silliest routes to go. It would be far easier to get yourself disqualified with legal trouble. If you're going to be a crook, might as well be a healthy one.
In the end, most people survive their tours in Iraq, no matter how miserably. You can now join generations of soldiers who have bitter asked "Now why didn't I join the Air Force?"
Perhaps it should be pointed out that the first post asked how to get out of deploying "legally." Now, there could be long arguments about how legality interfaces with ethics, etc. but perhaps a more pragmatic approach would be useful. People have been "dodging" orders for ages quite legally.
"Hardship" was mentioned. Well, if you have a case to make that you qualify for a hardship exemption then make it. No harm there as long as you don't lie on your application. The military may or may not approve your request, depending on the circumstances.
"Braces" and such is a more difficult question. If you need a medical procedure (i.e. advised by a doctor) that disqualifies you, then so be it. However, there are probably rules/laws against having *elective* surgeries that disqualify you. Thus, if you really need braces (and have just put off getting them for some reason) and can get a Dr. to certify that you need them, you could do that. However, if just get them and don't need them you could line yourself up for a world of hurt [ myself, I'd prefer a tour in Iraq to dental torture... ].
"up and out" is an age old tactic. Basically, you sign up for some career enhancing/vital skill or school that gets you out of recall. Commissioning programs are famous for this. Sign up for ROTC. However, be mindful that if you sign for more obligations you may just be getting yourself in deeper. The Army/ Guard may or may not approve of such a move. You could also agree to study something like Arabic or Islamic Studies to help make your case for staying more powerful. HOwever, if you acquire a 'vital' skill it will make you that much more in demand later down the road if you still have obligations left.
Self injury is among the most illegal and silliest routes to go. It would be far easier to get yourself disqualified with legal trouble. If you're going to be a crook, might as well be a healthy one.
In the end, most people survive their tours in Iraq, no matter how miserably. You can now join generations of soldiers who have bitter asked "Now why didn't I join the Air Force?"
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