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Ohiogal
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What exactly does your court order state regarding medical decisions? Why doesn't she want the children to get the vaccine? Why do you?
It does not say anything about medical decisions. My wife and I both work in different schools. My wife's school has had 20 plus confirmed cases of H1N1 and many more unconfirmed. My son is at the high school and my daughter at the middle school. We have a 2 year old in daycare and another baby due in January. The CDC recommends that anyone around a baby 6 months or younger receive the vaccine. They live with us 1/2 of the time. It feels like a safe decision for everyone involved.
wileybunch
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Not a legal answer, but people are very ambivalent about this vaccine and it would of course be better if you and Mom COULD agree. Dealing with this on a strong-armed basis is ick.
I've been very ambivalent myself until I learned that it's "just a new strain" being put into established vaccine protocols and would have been in the seasonal flu vaccine already if it had been identified sooner. The point is moot for us at this point because right now it's not really available here so who knows what I'll end up deciding to do.
I've been very ambivalent myself until I learned that it's "just a new strain" being put into established vaccine protocols and would have been in the seasonal flu vaccine already if it had been identified sooner. The point is moot for us at this point because right now it's not really available here so who knows what I'll end up deciding to do.
commentator
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Having recently had H1N1, and having a small child in my family hospitalized at the present time with complications of this illness (her mother just didn't "trust" the vaccine) I strongly encourage people who have an opportunity to get the vaccine take advantage of it. I assure you, this flu strain is not something you want to have if you have a choice.
Yes, I am otherwise very healthy and yes, I practice good health and sanitation habits. Yes, I had the flu in the 1970's several times. Prior to my illness, I had had the regular flu shot this year. It was still a ba...d... dddd thing!
This would be a terribly hard situation for me in custody issues, as I would have been adamantly in favor of the children having it, would have found it very tough to deal with an opinion the other party has about the safety of the vaccine, looking at how many people have died of the flu vs. how many have been affected by the vaccine so far this year.
Is this something they would end up back in court over?
Yes, I am otherwise very healthy and yes, I practice good health and sanitation habits. Yes, I had the flu in the 1970's several times. Prior to my illness, I had had the regular flu shot this year. It was still a ba...d... dddd thing!
This would be a terribly hard situation for me in custody issues, as I would have been adamantly in favor of the children having it, would have found it very tough to deal with an opinion the other party has about the safety of the vaccine, looking at how many people have died of the flu vs. how many have been affected by the vaccine so far this year.
Is this something they would end up back in court over?
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I do not want to end up back in court. It would be great it we could agree. I can't help but feel this is a control issue on her part. I could care less about control. Our children are 13 and 16 (not babies). They know who their mom and dad are and are not. I was just going to take them and get it done. My wife said I should at least talk to their mom about it (probably thinking she would be fine with it). Going to court over it would be ridiculous since the baby will probably be here before the first court date.
LdiJ
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I think that you are completely wrong to consider this to be a control issue. Many people are uneasy about the vaccine. I am waffling about it myself...although I am like someone else who posted...its really not fully available in my area yet, so I haven't had to make a final decision yet.
I am of the same opinion as the mother. I have absolutely NO intention of getting a regular or H1N1 flu shot for myself or my children. Every single time that I've been talked into a flu shot or allowed one of the children to get one, everyone in the house gets sick. For my family, flu shots of any kind are a bad thing. We react badly to them. Perhaps your ex has the same problem and it may not be a control issue.
My dd and I have both had it. It's really not fun, but it wasn't any worse than seasonal flu.
I would be pretty ambivalent about it. BUT -- from what I gather, OP has a baby in his household, and his wife is pregnant.
It's all over the news that H1N1 is VERY dangerous for pregnant women and that they have priority in getting vaccinated, even in areas where it's not readily available.
I'd say because of the circumstances, it would probably be a good idea to get All the kids vaccinated.
I would be pretty ambivalent about it. BUT -- from what I gather, OP has a baby in his household, and his wife is pregnant.
It's all over the news that H1N1 is VERY dangerous for pregnant women and that they have priority in getting vaccinated, even in areas where it's not readily available.
I'd say because of the circumstances, it would probably be a good idea to get All the kids vaccinated.
Nano Particles
I have done an uncanny amount of research on these vaccines, i do not intend to get them.
The vaccines this year contain nano-particles. these particles are compared to asbestos wherein the asbestos gravitated to the lungs and created problems (read: pneumonia). They do this by slipping through your cellular structure, leaving a trail behind them, your body weakened.
While the h1n1 is harsher then past years, people are NOT dyeing of flue, proper, they are dyeing of pneumonia. this is because, evidently, the unannounced decision to begin with the nano stuff began LAST year.
People who got a shot last year are getting sicker, going down harder, faster w/complications.
Children have a 2/3's MORE chance of ending up in the hospital post-shot.
The H1N1 has not been thoroughly tested and it is NOT the same as the yearly influenza. It is a ****tail of known carcinogens which haven't been only through minimal testings. In fact there is a standing challenge of 50,000.00 to any scientist that would drink a ****tail containing these same ingredients.
The H1N1 contains Mercury, Thimerosal, and Squalene in massive amounts for starters.
Further, IF the H1N1 mutates, even the slightest, the current vaccines will be useless. This means you will have injected yourself and your loved ones for no reason and, perhaps, be required to go again.
As for younger children, there are NO studies, none, nada on the effects of injecting so many chemicals in to such young children who may or may have the ability to with stand.
none. at. all.
They are suggesting as many as four inoculations in some situations.
When the mist was first thrown out there the wisdom was quarantine, basically, for 21 days after the mist, as well as staying away from babies, older people and those who MIGHT have a compromised immune system (asthmatics, aids, whatever).
NOW they are saying the 'live' mist is 'mutated' so that it won't reproduce.
I, personally, lost a cousin who was four months old. He went to the doctor's office w/mom and 4 year old brother while brother got his shot(s). They had, that day run out of the mist. W/in a week baby was fine at 8 AM in the morning, gone by 1:45.
He went to sleep healthy and never woke up. They say it was swine flu.
Note: baby was NOT exposed to ANYone with ANY strain of flu. Mom was hyper-vigilant. Didn't even take baby grocery shopping.
The brother ended up in the hospital for three days, the day AFTER baby passed.
My 14 year old niece, no shots, refused them last year and this year, sick 104 fever, recovered. another cousin's 60 year old aunt, religious about getting her shots, sick w/flu, went into pneumonia, her funeral was Monday.
Any of the above information can be found on line. And yes, the counter argument, discussion can also be found.
I'm not taking it. Not recommending any one take it. I'm taking immune boosting Vit C, D3, Omega 3 and intend to find Astragalus, which is an oriental herb for lung disorders.
I have done an uncanny amount of research on these vaccines, i do not intend to get them.
The vaccines this year contain nano-particles. these particles are compared to asbestos wherein the asbestos gravitated to the lungs and created problems (read: pneumonia). They do this by slipping through your cellular structure, leaving a trail behind them, your body weakened.
While the h1n1 is harsher then past years, people are NOT dyeing of flue, proper, they are dyeing of pneumonia. this is because, evidently, the unannounced decision to begin with the nano stuff began LAST year.
People who got a shot last year are getting sicker, going down harder, faster w/complications.
Children have a 2/3's MORE chance of ending up in the hospital post-shot.
The H1N1 has not been thoroughly tested and it is NOT the same as the yearly influenza. It is a ****tail of known carcinogens which haven't been only through minimal testings. In fact there is a standing challenge of 50,000.00 to any scientist that would drink a ****tail containing these same ingredients.
The H1N1 contains Mercury, Thimerosal, and Squalene in massive amounts for starters.
Further, IF the H1N1 mutates, even the slightest, the current vaccines will be useless. This means you will have injected yourself and your loved ones for no reason and, perhaps, be required to go again.
As for younger children, there are NO studies, none, nada on the effects of injecting so many chemicals in to such young children who may or may have the ability to with stand.
none. at. all.
They are suggesting as many as four inoculations in some situations.
When the mist was first thrown out there the wisdom was quarantine, basically, for 21 days after the mist, as well as staying away from babies, older people and those who MIGHT have a compromised immune system (asthmatics, aids, whatever).
NOW they are saying the 'live' mist is 'mutated' so that it won't reproduce.
I, personally, lost a cousin who was four months old. He went to the doctor's office w/mom and 4 year old brother while brother got his shot(s). They had, that day run out of the mist. W/in a week baby was fine at 8 AM in the morning, gone by 1:45.
He went to sleep healthy and never woke up. They say it was swine flu.
Note: baby was NOT exposed to ANYone with ANY strain of flu. Mom was hyper-vigilant. Didn't even take baby grocery shopping.
The brother ended up in the hospital for three days, the day AFTER baby passed.
My 14 year old niece, no shots, refused them last year and this year, sick 104 fever, recovered. another cousin's 60 year old aunt, religious about getting her shots, sick w/flu, went into pneumonia, her funeral was Monday.
Any of the above information can be found on line. And yes, the counter argument, discussion can also be found.
I'm not taking it. Not recommending any one take it. I'm taking immune boosting Vit C, D3, Omega 3 and intend to find Astragalus, which is an oriental herb for lung disorders.
My daugther and I both got it.. it was horrible.. regardless you are living with two high risk family members, your pregnant wife and your 2 year old..get your daugther vaccinated. I understand the ambivalence towards getting this "rapidly tested" vaccine but there are over 1000 deaths in the US already attributed to this virus. It has claimed the lives of over a 100 young kids. The FDA has approved the vaccine and so if you are comfortable with your daughter getting it.. get it. If you want to cover your bases legally, file an ex parte motion..while one can never predict how a court will rule, I dont get the sense this is an area where it is completely black or white.. you have a pregnant wife at home who is in the highest risk category.
I would take all research and anecdotes from non medical personnel with a huge grain of salt.
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Are you a medical professional, do you work for the CDC, if not don't be irresponsible and make bold directives on folks not getting it.. that is irresponsible behavior. The research you state is hardly conclusive or even remotely relevant to make recommendations for others NOT to take it.
Thank you all for all of the advice. I spoke to her again and she stands strong that she does not want the kids to get the vaccine, so I have some decisions to make. Her reasoning is because there have been no long term studies on the vaccine. I respect that; however there are long term studies that show how second hand smoke can cause cancer and she continues to smoke in the car and her house with my children. Makes me think about other health decisions. Just for fun, I pulled up a list of ingredients in a cigarette..wow. arsenic, rat poison, amonia etc. Makes that vaccine seem a little less firghtening.
Thanks again
Thanks again
Hisbabygirl77
Senior Member
I stand on myself on the No vaccine band wagon but I have issues with all the vaccines they try and give us that being said. Not very smart of your ex I myself smoke (yaya I know) but I would NEVER smoke in the house with my children. I may smoke that doesnt mean I am going to make them smoke by breathing in my bad habit.
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