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rll22563

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Oregon

My son, who is 21 lives at home with me. He recently took out an auto loan and is 7 days late with his payment. Since Monday, the loan company has been calling my home number. My son spoke with someone on Monday to let them know that he would be making his car payment this Thursday. The guy told him that was unacceptable and hung up on him. The company again called my home number all day Tuesday. I spoke to some man and told him that my son has his own phone number an to call him at that number, they told me that as long as he lived at home that they could continue calling.

My question: How can I get them to stop calling MY phone number, it is not my son's phone number, he has his own cell phone number. The company will not take my phone number off of his account. It is legal for them to keep calling my number. The number is not listed in my son's name.

Thank you
 


K'Ta

Member
rll22563 said:
What is the name of your state? Oregon
My question: How can I get them to stop calling MY phone number, it is not my son's phone number, he has his own cell phone number. The company will not take my phone number off of his account. It is legal for them to keep calling my number. The number is not listed in my son's name.

Thank you
You can't. If the number they're calling is listed as the home number for the address your son resides at then they can call 500 times a day and be as rude as they want to. They are the orignial creditor and barring physical threats can pretty much do and say as they please to collect what's due them. Tell your son to be more responsible if you don't want the calls.
 
your phone

Better yet, change your number to an unlisted number and don't give it out except to those you want to call you. You can also put a call block on your home telephone of up to 12 numbers and they cannot bother you anymore.
 

moto

Junior Member
They cannot keep calling your number, it is illegal. Tell them once not to call the number anymore. If they continue you can report them to police. If you don't want to do that, tell them he no longer lives there.They are harassing you.
 

K'Ta

Member
moto said:
They cannot keep calling your number, it is illegal. Tell them once not to call the number anymore. If they continue you can report them to police. If you don't want to do that, tell them he no longer lives there.They are harassing you.
Wow. :eek: This is so wrong on so many levels.
 

demartian

Member
Nope

It is illegal for creditors to keep calling after you ask them not to. Even if you owe them $10,000 for a whole year, they have to go through the proper channels of mailing you written notice before collections by written notice and then go to courts. Phone calls are ok for reminders but if you tell them not to call, then they are not allowed to call. PERIOD!
 

K'Ta

Member
demartian said:
It is illegal for creditors to keep calling after you ask them not to. Even if you owe them $10,000 for a whole year, they have to go through the proper channels of mailing you written notice before collections by written notice and then go to courts. Phone calls are ok for reminders but if you tell them not to call, then they are not allowed to call. PERIOD!
That is absolutely not true! Where on earth did you get this information?
 

MandyD

Member
K'Ta said:
You can't. If the number they're calling is listed as the home number for the address your son resides at then they can call 500 times a day and be as rude as they want to. They are the orignial creditor and barring physical threats can pretty much do and say as they please to collect what's due them. .
This is completely wrong!!! Read the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. What you are describing is harrassment and it's against the law.

OP, have your son notify the debtor IN WRITING not to contact him at your number anymore. That is also part of the FDCPA.
 
MandyD said:
This is completely wrong!!! Read the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. What you are describing is harrassment and it's against the law.

OP, have your son notify the debtor IN WRITING not to contact him at your number anymore. That is also part of the FDCPA.
I was under the impression that the FDCPA applied only to third party collectors. I believe that K'Ta is correct.
 
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Gevalia

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Edited to remove the FDCPA excerpt because it apparently does not apply in this case. Apologies to all.
 
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weenor

Senior Member
§ 806. Harassment or abuse [15 USC 1692d]

A debt collector may not engage in any conduct the natural consequence of which is to harass, oppress, or abuse any person in connection with the collection of a debt. Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this section:

(1) The use or threat of use of violence or other criminal means to harm the physical person, reputation, or property of any person.

(2) The use of obscene or profane language or language the natural consequence of which is to abuse the hearer or reader.

(3) The publication of a list of consumers who allegedly refuse to pay debts, except to a consumer reporting agency or to persons meeting the requirements of section 603(f) or 604(3)1 of this Act.

(4) The advertisement for sale of any debt to coerce payment of the debt.

(5) Causing a telephone to ring or engaging any person in telephone conversation repeatedly or continuously with intent to annoy, abuse, or harass any person at the called number.

(6) Except as provided in section 804, the placement of telephone calls without meaningful disclosure of the caller's identity.

§ 807. False or misleading representations [15 USC 1692e]

A debt collector may not use any false, deceptive, or misleading representation or means in connection with the collection of any debt. Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this section:

(1) The false representation or implication that the debt collector is vouched for, bonded by, or affiliated with the United States or any State, including the use of any badge, uniform, or facsimile thereof.

(2) The false representation of --

(A) the character, amount, or legal status of any debt; or

(B) any services rendered or compensation which may be lawfully received by any debt collector for the collection of a debt.

(3) The false representation or implication that any individual is an attorney or that any communication is from an attorney.

(4) The representation or implication that nonpayment of any debt will result in the arrest or imprisonment of any person or the seizure, garnishment, attachment, or sale of any property or wages of any person unless such action is lawful and the debt collector or creditor intends to take such action.

(5) The threat to take any action that cannot legally be taken or that is not intended to be taken.

(6) The false representation or implication that a sale, referral, or other transfer of any interest in a debt shall cause the consumer to --

(A) lose any claim or defense to payment of the debt; or

(B) become subject to any practice prohibited by this title.

(7) The false representation or implication that the consumer committed any crime or other conduct in order to disgrace the consumer.

(8) Communicating or threatening to communicate to any person credit information which is known or which should be known to be false, including the failure to communicate that a disputed debt is disputed.

(9) The use or distribution of any written communication which simulates or is falsely represented to be a document authorized, issued, or approved by any court, official, or agency of the United States or any State, or which creates a false impression as to its source, authorization, or approval.

(10) The use of any false representation or deceptive means to collect or attempt to collect any debt or to obtain information concerning a consumer.

(11) The failure to disclose in the initial written communication with the consumer and, in addition, if the initial communication with the consumer is oral, in that initial oral communication, that the debt collector is attempting to collect a debt and that any information obtained will be used for that purpose, and the failure to disclose in subsequent communications that the communication is from a debt collector, except that this paragraph shall not apply to a formal pleading made in connection with a legal action.

(12) The false representation or implication that accounts have been turned over to innocent purchasers for value.

(13) The false representation or implication that documents are legal process.

(14) The use of any business, company, or organization name other than the true name of the debt collector's business, company, or organization.

(15) The false representation or implication that documents are not legal process forms or do not require action by the consumer.

(16) The false representation or implication that a debt collector operates or is employed by a consumer reporting agency as defined by section 603(f) of this Act.

§ 808. Unfair practices [15 USC 1692f]

A debt collector may not use unfair or unconscionable means to collect or attempt to collect any debt. Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this section:

(1) The collection of any amount (including any interest, fee, charge, or expense incidental to the principal obligation) unless such amount is expressly authorized by the agreement creating the debt or permitted by law.

(2) The acceptance by a debt collector from any person of a check or other payment instrument postdated by more than five days unless such person is notified in writing of the debt collector's intent to deposit such check or instrument not more than ten nor less than three business days prior to such deposit.

(3) The solicitation by a debt collector of any postdated check or other postdated payment instrument for the purpose of threatening or instituting criminal prosecution.

(4) Depositing or threatening to deposit any postdated check or other postdated payment instrument prior to the date on such check or instrument.

(5) Causing charges to be made to any person for communications by concealment of the true propose of the communication. Such charges include, but are not limited to, collect telephone calls and telegram fees.

(6) Taking or threatening to take any nonjudicial action to effect dispossession or disablement of property if --

(A) there is no present right to possession of the property claimed as collateral through an enforceable security interest;

(B) there is no present intention to take possession of the property; or

(C) the property is exempt by law from such dispossession or disablement.

(7) Communicating with a consumer regarding a debt by post card.

(8) Using any language or symbol, other than the debt collector's address, on any envelope when communicating with a consumer by use of the mails or by telegram, except that a debt collector may use his business name if such name does not indicate that he is in the debt collection business

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6) The term "debt collector" means any person who uses any instrumentality of interstate commerce or the mails in any business the principal purpose of which is the collection of any debts, or who regularly collects or attempts to collect, directly or indirectly, debts owed or due or asserted to be owed or due another. Notwithstanding the exclusion provided by clause (F) of the last sentence of this paragraph, the term includes any creditor who, in the process of collecting his own debts, uses any name other than his own which would indicate that a third person is collecting or attempting to collect such debts. For the purpose of section 808(6), such term also includes any person who uses any instrumentality of interstate commerce or the mails in any business the principal purpose of which is the enforcement of security interests.


The above quotes are from the Act. Hopefully this little debate is settled.
 
weenor said:
6) The term "debt collector" means any person who uses any instrumentality of interstate commerce or the mails in any business the principal purpose of which is the collection of any debts, or who regularly collects or attempts to collect, directly or indirectly, debts owed or due or asserted to be owed or due another. Notwithstanding the exclusion provided by clause (F) of the last sentence of this paragraph, the term includes any creditor who, in the process of collecting his own debts, uses any name other than his own which would indicate that a third person is collecting or attempting to collect such debts. For the purpose of section 808(6), such term also includes any person who uses any instrumentality of interstate commerce or the mails in any business the principal purpose of which is the enforcement of security interests.


The above quotes are from the Act. Hopefully this little debate is settled.
Just one question, The definition of Debt Collector, that you cite, goes on to say:

The term does not include --

(A) any officer or employee of a creditor while, in the name of the creditor, collecting debts for such creditor;
 

demartian

Member
Debt Collections

I guess, our debate is still on defining what a debt collector is.

Yes, this is still a valid debt that should be paid. <- That point aside.

For the purposes of law, if I call you all day (for whatever reason)... Then I am harassing you. Even if I had a supposed valid reason, I would need to use the right channels and calling someone's mother all day is not a legal channel.
 

K'Ta

Member
MandyD said:
This is completely wrong!!! Read the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. What you are describing is harrassment and it's against the law.

OP, have your son notify the debtor IN WRITING not to contact him at your number anymore. That is also part of the FDCPA.
The FDCPA only applies to 3rd party collectors, not the original creditor. So, no, YOU'RE wrong, my dear.

And OP, notifying them in writing won't do a damned bit of good. See my above statement. Maybe Mandy would like to brush up on her knowledge of collection law before she goes around showing her ignorance.
 

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